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| Johan von Elak | 8th August 2010 - 05:31 PM Post #1 |
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I'm confused over this little thing in the 8th Edition Rulebook, in the army list section, not these exact words but still: "If your wizard can select specific spells you need to select them when you pick your army". I am playing with a Vermin Lord, and since the Dreaded Thirteenth is a nice scary thing to have, I rather like to have it, together with some Spells of Plague nastiness. However, does this mean what I think it does: When I make my army list I need to write it like this: Vermin Lord (500) Dreaded Thirteenth Spell, three Spells of Plague or is it still possible to swap one of those Plague Spells for the Dreaded Thirteenth if I get one I dont consider good for that particular battle? The same question can be applied to all Skaven Wizards, since our spell selection is rather different from that of lesser races, but I used my Vermin Lord in this case to clarify. If the above is correct, do you consider it worth picking the Dreaded Thirteenth at all instead of a 100% chance to get every Plague spell? (Always using a Plague Priest in my lists.) |
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| Stripsteak | 8th August 2010 - 06:15 PM Post #2 |
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no it doesn't cover that. Vermin Lords don't know a specific spell, they can swap one of their rolled spells for the 13th. That rule is for things like the High Elf's Seerstaff of Saphery that say things like "the bearer may choose his spells, instead of rolling for them at the start of the game" |
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| bakfire the experimenter | 8th August 2010 - 07:31 PM Post #3 |
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also covers vampire necromancers who pay for the spells they get. |
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| Johan von Elak | 10th August 2010 - 04:42 PM Post #4 |
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up!
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| Zorg | 10th August 2010 - 05:46 PM Post #5 |
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Well no... you have to choose your lore! while writing your army list. Which means you can write Vermin Lord, Plague Lore. Then during determining which spells you actually got, you still can swap a spell for the 13th. |
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| Stripsteak | 10th August 2010 - 08:27 PM Post #6 |
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umm yes? that's what i said the vermin lord is subject to the normal spell generation rules so he doesn't have to write any spells on his armylist. while the rule in question was for things like the seerstaff, or necromancers where they only know a specific spell(s) and don't have the option to swap.
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| Zorg | 10th August 2010 - 09:07 PM Post #7 |
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well ok then i got your explanation wrong, my fault
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| Ratarsed | 11th August 2010 - 07:07 AM Post #8 |
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I'm not sure that the Skaven spells of Plague and Skaven spells of Ruin are seperate "lores" I've been playing that the Skaven spells are one lore sub divided into spells of Plague and spells of Ruin. Is this wrong? |
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| Warlock Matik | 11th August 2010 - 01:15 PM Post #9 |
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1
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Technically they are separate lores but I see no problem with the way you're using it, I mean all of our casters have access to either one, or both of them simultaneously. I really don't see the need for us to bother writing the lores down on our lists since we can't exactly choose them. The only thing that I've come across which may be affected by the way you play it is when choosing your spell after you roll a double - it can only come from the same lore so if you get a double on ruin you can't grab plague, for example. |
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| chiaroscuros | 11th August 2010 - 03:41 PM Post #10 |
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Here is how I am doing it... My Grey Seer can chose between the two lores. So my list says "Spells of Ruin AND Spells of Plague" When it is time to roll, I pick one of the two lists and roll the dice. I repeat till I have rolled all four spells. But I think that I am required to have at least one spell from each list by the time that I am finished. |
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| WheelR | 11th August 2010 - 04:22 PM Post #11 |
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Im yet to start trying 8th ED.. but i came across this as well.. IMHO i'd say when you write down what lore you use you also have to say how many dice you are gonna invest in that lore.. instead of seeing the army first and then pick the amount of dice you use for either Plague or Ruin. |
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| Rhellion | 11th August 2010 - 04:36 PM Post #12 |
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You don't need to write down which lore you are choosing from. If you want to be sure, just write plague AND ruin. The army book states Grey Seers and Vermin Lords at the start of the game (not when writing lists) can freely choose from either or both lores. |
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| Warlock Matik | 11th August 2010 - 05:04 PM Post #13 |
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1
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Exactly what Rhellion said. I'm pretty sure its fine to max out on one lore and ignore the other and then do something different the next game, you just state the lores you can use, not how many spells you take from each. |
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| Johan von Elak | 12th August 2010 - 06:24 PM Post #14 |
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I guess this is slightly oftopic, but still: just writing Ruin & Plague seems good since our rulebook, as you say, states we can choose freely before rolling (I guess this is a case of the "But My Armybook Says..." rule) and this way of interpretting it seems very Skaven, and therefore, in our cases, correct! This has been very helpful, and I'll be sure to put these arguments to good use in case the need arises...
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yes? that's what i said the vermin lord is subject to the normal spell generation rules so he doesn't have to write any spells on his armylist. while the rule in question was for things like the seerstaff, or necromancers where they only know a specific spell(s) and don't have the option to swap.



