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Are Stormvermin worth?
Topic Started: 1st August 2010 - 08:36 PM (2,829 Views)
Zhutky


Yesterday, a friend of mine give me for my birthday 40 stormvermin, they are worth? I think that for 7 points u have a clan rat with WS 4 S4 and I5 so its really good! and the possibility to take a magi banner ( I will always use stormbanner) give me your opinions! :D

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Kevlar
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Zhutky
Aug 1 2010, 03:36 PM
Yesterday, a friend of mine give me for my birthday 40 stormvermin, they are worth? I think that for 7 points u have a clan rat with WS 4 S4 and I5 so its really good! and the possibility to take a magi banner ( I will always use stormbanner) give me your opinions! :D

Zhutky

7th edition not so much. 8th edition that extra I means a lot. The WS and Str are nice too! So I say yes, they are a nice unit especially to horde up. Compare them to other armies units with similar stats. Bet they cost more than 7 points.
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Stormvermin die in droves but as Kevlar pointed out, their init makes up for their cost over a regular clan rat. Also that free halberd is soooo nice in a horde; getting off 30 str 4 atks can be sooo satisfying if you are cutting up someone elses horde units like goblins or skeletons.
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I was never a fan of them in 7th and now in 8th I don't find them very hot either if you want some thing with punch rat ogres @S5 are more reliable killers.

Cool pressie though B)
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I like stormvermin not from any gaming point of view just fluff wise it seems right that your warlord should be with his stormvermin bodyguard. 8 points ain't bad for initiative 5 wps 4 strength 4 and a 4+ armour save against shooting, give them that armour piercing banner and they become very nasty, especially when backed up by a doomflayer! To put it in context a skeleton costs 8 points! I know who my money would be on in a fight especially with the nerf on fear!
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C57Black
Aug 1 2010, 04:25 PM
Stormvermin die in droves but as Kevlar pointed out, their init makes up for their cost over a regular clan rat. Also that free halberd is soooo nice in a horde; getting off 30 str 4 atks can be sooo satisfying if you are cutting up someone elses horde units like goblins or skeletons.

Just remember Queek's vermin as WS 5 can only be hit by "crap" troops (skeletons, goblins, slaves, etc) on a 5+! So that is quite a bit of extra survivability vs other things you are likely to see in a horde...

Granted they still go down faster than a cheap hooker to "normal" units, but hey at least they hit hard and take more than they give.
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With Stormvermin, i generally think like this: They're Skaven "elite" troops. That means that they're able to go toe-to-toe with another army's standard troops. But will still die like a slave to enemy above-standard troops. (Though, Saurus and WoC are to be considered elite troops ;))

In 8th, as it has been said, the extra I is awesome. I would also say, don't horde up. Leave that to slaves if you really want to, or maybe a bell/furnace unit.

Also, i would immagine it'd be fun to attack gobbos or something with Queek's famous S5 Stormvermin ;)
Vaithstrom Warpmane
Aug 11 2010, 01:51 PM
I don't mind when I accidentally kill my own.  They were probably asking for it anyway.

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Sep 29 2010, 11:02 AM
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skavenmatt
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I got a bunch of the plastic stormvermin that I now use as clanrats with spears, the older metal models I still field every once in a while with a unit pushing a bell in a horde and hoping to get the 13'th result, like any devout Skaven. I don't think they're really worth it on their own, super sweet models though. In my experience horded clanrats w/ shields last longer, clanrats with spears always kill more, giant rats are always better flankers, and slaves outperform everyone else! I guess thats probably a sign of my ability to command so I should strive to use em better.
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C57Black
Aug 1 2010, 04:25 PM
Stormvermin die in droves but as Kevlar pointed out, their init makes up for their cost over a regular clan rat. Also that free halberd is soooo nice in a horde; getting off 30 str 4 atks can be sooo satisfying if you are cutting up someone elses horde units like goblins or skeletons.

Thats an expensive unit in points & cash. Is it really that effective?
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Aug 6 2010, 12:24 PM

Thats an expensive unit in points & cash. Is it really that effective?

Roll 30 dice with 3+ to hit and 3+ to wound. You can see for yourself how effective it is on normal troops. You should average 15 or so wounds per turn against a T3 unit with similar frontage.

Stick a defensive geared warlord in there with the crown of command and you are stubborn on 10 for a while. If you lose more than 10 just reform 7 wide, or 5 wide and keep that rank bonus up.
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3s to hit 3s to wound 15 wounds? from 30 attacks? I think your math hammer is broken lol

3s to hit 20.00 hits
3s to wound 13.33 wounds
light armour and shield is standard issue for most so 6 save 11.11 unsaved wounds.

not go into the hole parry business because it depends on the units weapon and flank fighting in the combat.
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Kraven Tailblade
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Why am I thinking Dwarves with great weapons are really good troops. :(
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You think dwarfs are good Dark Elf executioners 50 strong in horde formation reroll failed to hit and killing blow. S6 attacks nasty stuff.
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Yeah, but Dwarf core troops are WS4 T4 S5/gw LD9 for 11 points. A solid troops choice. No longer slow in 8th.
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I'm happy for all the dwarf players who suddenly don't have to castle up in a corner around their warmachines anymore.
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