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| Demonrat Thing | 11th August 2010 - 05:58 AM Post #46 | |
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hehehehehe. 3 pages on this stupid topic and it's gone nowhere. This is great. It's clear to me what the answer is, because its in the rulebook. It does outright wounds, exactly as the little box on the right says. You roll a dice, 1-6 models are dead. No rolling to wound them, theyre just dead. Therefore, no saves. If this was the case, 'was' being stressed, I should be able to get my hand weapon and shield bonus for this damage as well...but I dont, so, there you have. Just because people have a right to their own opinions doesnt mean that their opinions are right. |
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Doom, Doom, Doom, it seems to endlessly say… all will fall, all will be ruinous, Doom, Doom, Doom. | ||
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| Sammy the Squid | 11th August 2010 - 07:12 AM Post #47 | |
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Thats not helpful, Demonrat. We are trying to stop this argument going in circles, and comments like this does not help the cause. The other side of the argument has stated their point and backed it with passages from the books, so if you are going to discredit them, you should find passages that directly counter their argument. As Ive already said, I do agree that MR should NOT give saves against DF, but I dont see anything that allows you to make that comment with such certainty. I do not understand your point at all in the last post. I know the models are just dead, but against spells that cause that effect on the enemy I believe MR saves are allowed. No other saves are though, true. But whats this about the HW/shield bonus? I dont think ANY spells allow that save to be made, except spells that specifically state its a combat attack (such as that Dark Elf spell). Sorry, I dont understand the logic there... EDIT: Look, I dont think we are going to solve this argument easily, because it essentially comes down to if we see the damage as being a result of the spell or not, as Zip said. Both sides have their merit, so we should just let each gaming group decide as they see fit. There really is no point beating this dead horse any longer, as its not achieving anything. - Sammy |
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"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!" Wins/Losses/Draws Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20 Dark Elves - 44/14/8 Hochland Empire - 33/14/4 Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4 Beastmen - 50/25/2 Have not completed a Painting Vow since July 07!! | ||
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| Kevlar | 11th August 2010 - 11:06 AM Post #48 | |
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Good call sammy. It is really up to each person on how they want to try and play it. I would never use magic resistance on an effect that doesn't hit in the magic phase and doesn't remain in play. It isn't the same as the undead spell that carries over to the next phase, curse of years, or the flames of pheonix high magic spell. At best i think you should expect a dice off if you attempt to use magic resistance on death frenzy. At worst you might receive a knock on the head with a rather large and weighty 8th edition rule book. |
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| SkavenDan | 11th August 2010 - 09:32 PM Post #49 | |
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If I tried to use MR on DF I would get a bucket of dice thrown at me! But I can accept we have exhausted all options nothing new has come up to clarify it. I take my stand point from the fact it used to be worded better but that doesn't mean anything since the new wording doesn't even give a hint as to why they die other than they do. maybe we should run a poll so the horde can vote? |
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| Sammy the Squid | 12th August 2010 - 03:07 PM Post #50 | |
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@ Kevlar and SkavenDan: Thanks for your understanding guys I dont really see what running a poll would prove, as I reckon the vast majority of the masses support your views anyway, and having another topic on this could just lead to the argument starting all over again. The wording of DF in the new book is terrible since it doesnt mention WHY the unit takes those wounds. It is obviously from the side-effects of the FRENZY rather than the magic, but since this is not actually said it does leave it open to speculation. I highly doubt that GW intended MR to be used against DF wounds, but since there is no absolute conclusive evidence saying so, we have to accept differences in opinion. Though I do agree that trying to take MR against DF in some gaming circles could be hazardous to your health, as you may be on the recieving end of a heavy rulebook, handful of dice, or whacky stick - Sammy |
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"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!" Wins/Losses/Draws Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20 Dark Elves - 44/14/8 Hochland Empire - 33/14/4 Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4 Beastmen - 50/25/2 Have not completed a Painting Vow since July 07!! | ||
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| zap2828 | 13th August 2010 - 01:53 PM Post #51 | |
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ah so your group found a use for the whacky sticks too
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