Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
Starting Skaven... Is this a good start?; Not sure if this is in the right section
Topic Started: 25th July 2010 - 06:18 PM (1,890 Views)
SDasher


Hey all! This is my first post on UE, so I'm gonna start by asking you if this is what I should buy for a start.

I'm not set on a particular clan as of yet, though my next purchases after this lot will likely be some things from Clan Skryre (Warp Lightning Cannons and such) ^_^

On with the list!

2 Island of Blood Boxes

1 Battalion

1 Screaming Bell

1 Doomwheel

1 Clanrat Regiment

--

Now, the Island of Blood kit contains 40 Clanrats / slaves, a WE, a Warlord/Chieftain, a Master Moulder, a Plague Wind Mortar, a Warp Fire Thrower, and two Rat Ogres. I've already arranged for a full swap of the High Elf portion of my boxes for another two Skaven halves - which means I get four times what is in an Island of Blood box.

about 120 of the clanrats / slaves I get are going to be turned into slaves, and I plan to make a Screaming Bell with a Grey Seer from the kit.

This nets me...

220 Clanrats / Slaves

4 Warlords / Chieftains

4 Warlock Engineers

4 Master Moulders

4 Plague Wind Mortars

4 Warp Fire Throwers

1 Doomwheel

1 Screaming Bell with Grey Seer

1 Plague Priest (from the SC/PF kit)

10 Rat Ogres

3 Packmasters

18 Giant Rats (Heard there's 12 rats on the plague monk sprues)

20 Plague Monks

--

That's an impressive 295 Models... but I want to know if it'll be any good to start with.

^_^ Thanks in advance for reading.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ratboy1018
Member Avatar
Lab rat hard at work
that is a great start, better than most of us had i bet :D . i personally like the globadiers as your next addition. 9 or 10 should do it. you might hold off though, it seems you have a lot of painting to do as it is.
hannanibal
 
Ki Ko Ka Ko Ki (That's the sound of a transformer transforming)

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sniskrak
Member Avatar
Clanrat
Geez. That's more then I have now...

Yes, that is a very good start. In fact, I would be surprised if you had to buy anything else. Only thing I would suggest is a Warp Lightning Cannon or two.

Btw, there are 9 rats on the Doomwheel sprue as well.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SDasher


Thank you both.

I don't exactly have money to burn, but I have been stashing away money ever since the Skaven release in 7th ed... and this is what I can afford.

Definitely next on my list is at least one Warp Lightning Cannon, and two boxes of Stormvermin (if not for their better stats, the painting opportunities that come with them). That should pretty much clog up my painting schedule for the next year... if I'm lucky!

Any more opinions?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Omens
Clanrat
Nightrunner box to make some gutter runners from.

I would also get some more plague monks, giant rats and pack masters from bitz sellers on ebay, you are a bit short of them.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sammy the Squid
Member Avatar
Back to retirement!

A good start?! Thats absolutely fantastic. With characters you could easily get a couple of thousand points out of that. The hard part will be painting all of it :P

- Sammy
"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!"

Wins/Losses/Draws

Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20
Dark Elves - 44/14/8
Hochland Empire - 33/14/4
Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4
Beastmen - 50/25/2

Have not completed a Painting Vow since July 07!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ragnarclaw


I'm starting skaven soon but was wondering should i get the skaven Battalion first and slowly work my ways up till "The Island of Blood"? Or perhaps skaven Battalion x 2 would be a better choice? <_<
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sammy the Squid
Member Avatar
Back to retirement!

@ ragnarclaw: Id say get a Battalion to give you something to work on, then wait for Isle of Blood. The value of Isle of Blood far outweighs the Batalion, so if you are thinking of buying 2 of anything Id recomend that. Just use the Battalion to keep you interested in Skaven until September i say :)

- Sammy
"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!"

Wins/Losses/Draws

Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20
Dark Elves - 44/14/8
Hochland Empire - 33/14/4
Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4
Beastmen - 50/25/2

Have not completed a Painting Vow since July 07!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deacon Hakflem
Stormvermin
Great start! Will need more plague monks though. :censor:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiaroscuros
Member Avatar
Warlord
I would skip the battalion box completely. The new starter is only six weeks away. Just buy the Plague Monk box seperately and save your money till the Isle of Blood comes out. You will probably want to get two boxes of Plague Monks anyway...

I also predict that the Elves are going to be the hot sellers and that there will be many many skaven ebay auctions. So if you have people lined up to swap the contents of two boxes, great. And if you need more, just hit up an auction site afterwards.

But even without any extras, that will give you a unit of 40 Plague Monks, a unit of 50 slaves, 2 units of 25 Clanrats, and 2 units of 30 Clanrats and 8 Rat Ogres... add 4 PWMs, shields, spears, and musicians and you have spent about 1600 points without any Heroes/ Lords/ Magic/ Rare options.

That is a solid start to a 2000-2500 point list (and more than 200 models to paint).

Also, you may want to do a bit of reading before you decide whether to build a bell or furnace.... I see furnaces show up on more lists, but...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SDasher


Thank you Sammy, I agree, the painting will be the hard part >.<

Quote:
 
I would skip the battalion box completely.  The new starter is only six weeks away.  Just buy the Plague Monk box seperately and save your money till the Isle of Blood comes out.  You will probably want to get two boxes of Plague Monks anyway...

I also predict that the Elves are going to be the hot sellers and that there will be many many skaven ebay auctions.  So if you have people lined up to swap the contents of two boxes, great.  And if you need more, just hit up an auction site afterwards.

But even without any extras, that will give you a unit of 40 Plague Monks, a unit of 50 slaves, 2 units of 25 Clanrats, and 2 units of 30 Clanrats and 8 Rat Ogres...  add 4 PWMs, shields, spears, and musicians and you have spent about 1600 points without any Heroes/ Lords/ Magic/ Rare options.

That is a solid start to a 2000-2500 point list (and more than 200 models to paint).

Also, you may want to do a bit of reading before you decide whether to build a bell or furnace....  I see furnaces show up on more lists, but...


The thing is, I want some variety in my army as well. I don't want every third clanrat to look the same, so I'm going to get the battalion for the options of spears and handweapons, etc. Having 60 Clanrats multipart and in different arm poses will help bring life to the regiments. I don't want 200 odd Clanrats that have EXACTLY the same pose, over and over again.

Thanks for the opinions, though :)

I've done plenty of reading, thanks. This was more of a plan of what I'm getting and what I'm going to build. This is what my 2500 list looks like:

2500 Pts - Skaven Roster

Grey Seer (2#, 500 pts)
. . 1 Grey Seer @ 500 pts (General; Hand Weapon; Screaming Bell)
. . . . 1 Screaming Bell (Causes Fear; Large Target; Magic Resistance (2))
. . . . 1 Shadow Magnet Trinket
. . . . 1 Skalm

Chieftan (1#, 124 pts)
. . 1[(#]Chieftain (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 124 pts (Hand Weapon; Halberd; Heavy Armour; Shield; Battle Standard Bearer)
. . . . 1 Storm Banner

Warlock Engineer (1#, 100 pts)
. . 1 Warlock Engineer @ 100 pts (Level 2 Wizard; Hand Weapon)

Warlock Engineer (1#, 45 pts)
. . 1 Warlock Engineer @ 45 pts (Hand Weapon)
. . . . 1 Doomrocket

Warlock Engineer (1#, 65 pts)
. . 1 Warlock Engineer @ 65 pts (Hand Weapon)
. . . . 1 Skavenbrew

Clanrats (42#, 250 pts)
. . 39 Clanrats @ 250 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 1 Clawleader (Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 2 Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (Warpfire Thrower; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

Clanrats (32#, 205 pts)
. . 29 Clanrats @ 205 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 1 Clawleader (Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 2 Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team (Poisoned Wind Mortar; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

Clanrat Slaves (30#, 62 pts)
. . 30 Skavenslaves @ 62 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon)

Clanrat Slaves (30#, 62 pts)
. . 30 Skavenslaves @ 62 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon)

Clanrat Slaves (30#, 62 pts)
. . 30 Skavenslaves @ 62 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon)

Clanrat Slaves (25#, 52 pts)
. . 25 Skavenslaves @ 52 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon)

Clanrats (22#, 170 pts)
. . 19 Clanrats @ 170 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 1 Clawleader (Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 2 Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (Warpfire Thrower; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

Rat Ogres (8#, 271 pts)
. . 5 Rat Ogres @ 271 pts (Causes Fear; Frenzy)
. . . . 1 Master-Bred Rat Ogre
. . . . 2 Packmaster (Hand Weapon; Whip; Light Armour)

Doomwheel (1#, 150 pts)
. . 1 Doomwheel @ 150 pts (Causes Terror; Immune to Psychology; Large Target)
. . . . 1 Crew (Warlock & Rats)

Warp-Lightning Cannon (1#, 90 pts)
. . 1 Warp-Lightning Cannon @ 90 pts
. . . . 1 Engineer & Crew

Giant Rats (29#, 97 pts)
. . 27 Giant Rats @ 97 pts
. . . . 2 Packmaster (Hand Weapon; Whip; Light Armour)

Plague Monks (20#, 195 pts)
. . 19 Plague Monks @ 195 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Frenzy)
. . . . 1 Bringer-of-the-Word (Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Frenzy)
. . . . 1 Plague Banner

Total Roster Cost: 2500

Unfortunately there's no 8th edition update for Army Builder as of yet...

What does everyone think?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Jazz22
Member Avatar
Chieftain
Not a bad list, overall, though you'll want to address a few things. I'd highly recommend scaling the Slaves into two large units, since ranks are the big consideration for 8th edition (for Steadfast). I would do the same with Clanrats, with the goal of getting all your units to 40 strong (at least). Again, larger units are better than many small units.

You may be disappointed by the Plague Monks, since you didn't take very many and they lack punch in extended combats. Dropping them for more Clanrats/war machines could help you out somewhat. Keep in mind that you are allowed to take 2 more Packmasters for your Rat Ogres if you want; this could really help to avoid "Stupidity sniping" that many massed missile troops will attempt.

As a final note, I'd recommend not listing out all the special rules when you reference lists, as we all know what they are and it just takes up more of your time to type. GW also tends to get touchy about that sort of thing. Oh, and post lists in the army list review forum, as well. That keeps the mods happy! ^_^
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SkitterPaw
Member Avatar
Chieftain
SDasher
Jul 28 2010, 07:59 AM
Clanrats (42#, 250 pts)
. . 39 Clanrats @ 250 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 1 Clawleader (Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 2 Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (Warpfire Thrower; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

Clanrats (32#, 205 pts)
. . 29 Clanrats @ 205 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 1 Clawleader (Hand Weapon; Light Armour)
. . . . 2 Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team (Poisoned Wind Mortar; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

Is it just me or do you have 2 weapon teams on a single unit of Clanrats? (Two units, might i add) because this is illegal. A unit can only have one weapon team.
Also, this should be in the Army List section.... like Jazz22 said.

Also: about the started idea, yes. Do it. I will be brilliant. More rats, and more rats, and then, MORE RATS (<---- how Skaven do things). You should be fine by doing that, but as ohers said.... you are going to get bogged down so bad :P
Vaithstrom Warpmane
Aug 11 2010, 01:51 PM
I don't mind when I accidentally kill my own.  They were probably asking for it anyway.

mellr0
Sep 29 2010, 11:02 AM
The UK baggage handlers hate your luggage, and can sense delicate expensive stuff.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Stripsteak
Warlord
no its just 1, at least that's what the unit cost indicates. army builder has strange output sometimes.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SkavenDan
Member Avatar
Doomwheel Fanatic
Personally I think the unit sizes are too small it seems to be my battle cry recently.

If your interested I will post up my list for you to inspect.
Posted Image Twitter @SkavenDan

YouTube SkavenDan

SkavenBlight Radio Website

Twitch SkavenDan

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Fantasy Battles Rules Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply