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| Kariko83 | 22nd July 2010 - 11:33 AM Post #16 |
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If I saw a character Bunker of spear elves on the of table then yes they would be my first target with my long range shooting, especially if it is the generals unit. Everything else my shorter range Warpfire throwers and combat units could take on. I do like the new lores and they are quite powerful but I do not think they are the be all and end all most people think they are. The Swordmasters are stuck at I order now as the ASF and ASL cancel each other out. |
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Local Challenge board Record W-L-D 6th ed Skaven 8-3-0 7th ed skaven 6-1-0 13th Spell Times Cast: 8 Kill Counter: 14 Maraders, 38 Saurus warriors, 8 high elf bowmen, 20 Empire Handgunners and 14 Dwarf Handgunners WIP Abomination Thread Skaven in 7th ed: a WIP tactics article By Kariko83 ![]()
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| Rakchew | 22nd July 2010 - 11:35 AM Post #17 |
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Hack 'n Slash!
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| CapAmr05 | 22nd July 2010 - 12:50 PM Post #18 |
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I think Skaven remain in the echelon of top 5 contenders. We did take a few hits on unit operations and our magic is relatively outclassed by regular lores, but despite that we made some large pickups with steadfast, BSB rerolls, and wizards being able to throw up to 6 dice at a spell are all huge swings (even though the magic phase is inconsistent). Darkelves took a bigger hit than most people give them credit for, the ring of hotek was dramatically neutered from it's 7th edition version that created a black void of nocasting so far and so wide spread. The blackgaurd ASF block of doom is pulled into check with the step up rule, they thrived on denying attack backs and now that enemies can step up and take a swing at them (despite a still nasty attack round) it will bring the combats much closer and BG won't win a war of attrition (especially against equal pointed units of us). They may have even fallen out of the top five. There's even a rumor that Elven Bolt Throwers might be in trouble with the new rules of # of crew vs number required to fire Bolts every turn; slipping 1 lucky wound in against a bolt thrower now supposedly reduces its functionality by 50% (forcing it to fire every other turn, because only 1 crew is left alive). --Cap |
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| Riktikticheck | 22nd July 2010 - 02:02 PM Post #19 |
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Warlord
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not true, you can check the high elven faq if you like. All high elves will ASF (with rerolls) regardless of weapon (this is the wording of the rulebook and as armybook trumps BRB this is the way it will work). |
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| Kariko83 | 22nd July 2010 - 02:37 PM Post #20 |
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The lurker in the shadows
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Good to know that. I hadn't looked at the FAQ for High Elves till now as no one around here plays them anymore, which should change when the starter set shows up. |
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Local Challenge board Record W-L-D 6th ed Skaven 8-3-0 7th ed skaven 6-1-0 13th Spell Times Cast: 8 Kill Counter: 14 Maraders, 38 Saurus warriors, 8 high elf bowmen, 20 Empire Handgunners and 14 Dwarf Handgunners WIP Abomination Thread Skaven in 7th ed: a WIP tactics article By Kariko83 ![]()
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| Stripsteak | 22nd July 2010 - 04:23 PM Post #21 |
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Warlord
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It doesn't work like that. Only spells determined randomly matter for duplication purposes. |
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| Riktikticheck | 22nd July 2010 - 04:31 PM Post #22 |
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Warlord
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actually untrue. all chosen spells count, only spells you don't have a choise on do not, well those and spells you can exhange anyway. ie. any you know all spells (loremaster) or something like will always know (for example invocation for vampires) or any spells you exhange (for example warplightning on engineers) |
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| Stripsteak | 22nd July 2010 - 07:09 PM Post #23 |
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Warlord
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'the only exceptions are where a spell is not generated randomly' if you are choosing a spell you are not determining it randomly therefore it is an exception to duplication. |
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| Riktikticheck | 23rd July 2010 - 03:41 AM Post #24 |
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Warlord
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Nevermind ;D |
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| Charming | 23rd July 2010 - 10:19 AM Post #25 |
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That's right; "The only exceptions are where a spell is not generated randomly, such as: If a model has no choice over which spell(s) it knows [...] or If the army book or spell lore clearly states that a model can exchange another spell for the spell in question" I think the HE stuff is right in there. |
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| Riktikticheck | 23rd July 2010 - 02:49 PM Post #26 |
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Warlord
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oh and right you are, i read the relevant section and still missed it... ;/ |
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