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A Meeting Engagement
Topic Started: 12th July 2010 - 12:35 PM (371 Views)
Rhellion
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I've only played two of the new scenarios so far, the regular pitched battle, and A Meeting Engagement. AME is the diagonal board halves deployment, 6" from the center line, one whole side deploying at once. But the kicker, and my question, is that each unit, warmachine, and individual character has to roll a d6 and is placed in reserve on a roll of 1.

The Screaming Bell and the Plague Furnace have to be deployed inside a unit (each unit depends on the model in question). If the Bell or Furnace is placed in reserve by rolling a 1 during deployment, it is destroyed! They have no movement, meaning that even if the unit I want them to join when they arrive on the board is also on the board edge, I cannot join because I cannot place any friendly models within 1" of another friendly unit. Also this matters if I roll a 1 for Plague Monks, because the Furnace can ONLY be deployed in a unit of Plague Monks.

Is this correct?
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I'd think either:

The monks would have to go into reserve with the Priest and Furnace.

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The Priest and Furnace would have to ignore this situation, and would be deployed within the unit despite the write up.

Remember these scenarios are written with broad generic language, they don't take the myriad of special/specific circumstances into account. Find a work around with your opponent, if they insist that a failed roll means a destroyed priest+furnace, seer+bell, they're willing to try and argue you out of 200-500 points as a "fair" fight shows incredibly weak sportsmanship.

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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

I think you'd count the bell/furnace and the rats it's deployed with as a single combined unit rather than separate ones.

So Cap's first point really.
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They are counted as a single unit so they come on together.
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What are the other details for the scenario about deploying units in reserve?

According to the FAQ the bell can ONLY be deployed if a valid unit is available. Also other characters can join this unit even though it is unbreakable. I would think that if you have a valid unit that it can be deployed in. It could be deployed in subsequent rounds based on the rules of the scenario. As long as a unit is available. Essentially for other characters joining the unit. You deploy them into the unit before the bell is placed and they become unbreakable. Not vice versa. its not stated in the rules, but logically that is how I see it. Just my interpretation.

The bell itself is as described a Unique Unit on its own. Not including the unit pushing it. If I remember correctly it is also a mount for the character and follows some rules for chariots.

I just do not think it will fall to your bell and Grey Seer could not be deployed because of a scenario specific rule on reserves.
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CapAmr05
Jul 12 2010, 09:35 AM
I'd think either:

The monks would have to go into reserve with the Priest and Furnace.

-or-

The Priest and Furnace would have to ignore this situation, and would be deployed within the unit despite the write up.

Remember these scenarios are written with broad generic language, they don't take the myriad of special/specific circumstances into account. Find a work around with your opponent, if they insist that a failed roll means a destroyed priest+furnace, seer+bell, they're willing to try and argue you out of 200-500 points as a "fair" fight shows incredibly weak sportsmanship.

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Personally, I would argue that as the Plague Furnace MUST be deployed in a unit of Plague Monks, the Furnace would be bound to the die-roll of the Monks, which is Cap's second solution.
However, I think any reasonable opponent would be willing accept at least one, if not both of Cap's suggestion. If they won't, you add a person to your 'do not play, EVER' list.
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Jul 12 2010, 01:31 PM
They are counted as a single unit so they come on together.

They are NOT, according to the scenario rules.

I guess it's a matter of asking your opponent in this very specific situation.
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