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step up and plague censer bearers; step up will hurt censer bearers
Topic Started: 17th May 2010 - 12:06 AM (2,664 Views)
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Hi!

As i said PCB can't be used to charge alone, you must use them as a hammer unit. charge some rnf from front and PCB from side. PCB will hit alot of enemies down and get you those much needed CR that you can't get from overwhelming anymore.

Not what they used to be, but they still can be used.
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how about doubles chargers?
Just requires a little more forethought with charging, it's a rarity i charge any unit in alone...
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Methinks PCB would better be used to hit from the front, with a RnF unit on the flank to break their ranks. Sure, the PCB will take the extra support attacks, but I bet this will be a more effective kamikaze use of them.
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Jun 23 2010, 02:54 PM
Methinks PCB would better be used to hit from the front, with a RnF unit on the flank to break their ranks. Sure, the PCB will take the extra support attacks, but I bet this will be a more effective kamikaze use of them.

This has potential but your unit of PCBs needs to be big enough to servive I believe you have to be engaged on 2 flanks to lose your ranks. If they all died it would result in ranks not being lost.
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why not just get all the plague monks Censers?
surely that would be better than there ordinary hand weapons?
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

Plague monks and PCBs are different units Crossbows, Plague monks can only have two hand weapons.
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He could have meant as a conversion. Its not to hard to pull off something like that but you have to have some idea as to what you are doing in order to get the hands lined up swinging the censor and all.
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

He might have Skreetz, but I'm pretty sure crossbows doesn't play skaven so it might be a misunderstanding. Either way, I support converting PCBs from monk sprues, even though I don't use pestilens at all.

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Matic's right.

also i looked at the GW site (read up about censers and monks) and i definetly think Censers are a lot better - but if they have a really high points cost then maybe not :D
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With the step up rules and I order striking i think PCBs are gona need to be taken either in a unit of about 10 to absorb casulties from shooting/magic and anything faster than I3(ie most enemies) On the bright side they cant be frenzy baited to charge eagles behind them cos they cant see 360 anymore but as someone else said, its gona be pointless charging anything with only PCBs cos they will be stubborn and prob not break.
Personally ill be going for 3 units of 5 gutter runners and 6 Rat ogres with a MM for my specials in 8th ed. maybe a unit of 5 pcbs purely used for killing knights or suicide run against characters.
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Jun 21 2010, 07:48 AM
I think this idea that you will force PC tests on enemies in the 2nd (or 3rd, etc) rank is pure wishful thinking.


But stepping up to me suggests coming into contact
even if the model is removed from the back


Unless they are dwarf slayers huffing their own urine.. I think another test isn't too rules lawyerish
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Even though it is suggested in the context. The wording is models in base to base contact. At no point do the models in base to base contact change.

It is rather sad I have a lot of PCB models now they will just gather dust.
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why? why not have loads of them? whats the max unit cap?

i know that there are lots of units that cost a lot of points but have no max cap, if the PCB are the same them just have lots of them - after all how many ordinary infantry units could defeat 50 plague censer bearers?

for 8th edition you guys Really need the same treatment we gave to ogres for 7th - The Paradigm Shift
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Why? Because the points cost is insane. 50 of these PCBs would not only die easily you would have that many gas tests you would start killing them yourselfs.

And it would also stop you taking any Rat Ogres which are far better now. Every edition has a loser. The new book killed the Rattling Gun and 8Th is killing the PCBs.
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Jun 30 2010, 07:48 AM
why? why not have loads of them? whats the max unit cap?

i know that there are lots of units that cost a lot of points but have no max cap, if the PCB are the same them just have lots of them - after all how many ordinary infantry units could defeat 50 plague censer bearers?

I don't know, if you fielded plague censers in a horde you would be taking 4 ranks of toughness tests. You might lose combat just off your own fumes. I don't have the book yet, do skirmishers even benefit from horde or step up if you field a big block of them?

I think the censers will still have a use. For one people are afraid of them. A small unit is still going to be good against cavalry or really any unranked unit.
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