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Skaven FAQ Out; 2010
Topic Started: 8th March 2010 - 03:47 PM (8,418 Views)
Pestilent Lord
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Mar 8 2010, 01:59 PM
On the other hand, the template rule is said to be caused by warpstone or something. I guess this means it won't be an 8th edition rule for everyone? ^_^

Possibly. Or they might be having a laugh while also telling people that 'yes, the weapons really are that good' until the new edition rolls around and over-writes the standard template rules.
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Page 46, Plague Censer, third paragraph, first
sentence.
‘[…] all models (friend and foe) in base contact
with one or more models bearing a plague censer
must take a Toughness test […].’
will be changed to:
‘[…] all models fighting with a plague censer, and
any model (friend and foe) in base contact with one
or more models fighting with a plague censer, must
take a Toughness test […].’

This is brilliant. Means if only the closest pcb gets in you only need to take2 tests yourself.

More importantly means it is now worth taking a censer on apriest on afurnace. You won't be taking tests every turn anymore: only when you are in combat.

Brilliant!
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I loved the one asking if the new clanrats could have attachment weapon teams as the new unit's equipment and at the end of their response, after thoroughly discounting it, they said "nice try!"

:lol:

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I have to say, one thing that would have made this an even more perfect FAQ would have been a better explanation as to how weapons teams operate. Using logic garnered from RAW the WFT, Ratling and PWM should be granted 360 LOS for the sake of shooting but it seems some folks believe otherwise.
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That was good Cap. and then the question on if wither can be used on friendly units:
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Yes, but your plan would have to be really, really cunning and treacherous for you to gain an advantage by doing so.
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Mar 8 2010, 03:53 PM
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However, if the characters in the unit are Unit Strength 5 or more, they are not affected by the spell at all and casualties will fall amongst other models in the unit


It's saying characters with US5+ within a unit are not effected; so lords on dragons in infantry units are safe (as are our SB/PF mounted heros).


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Q. If a unit is affected by the Curse of the Horned Rat and not entirely destroyed, who choses which models are removed as casualties?

A.  The player controlling the affected unit.  Normally, characters and champions are more resilient than normal rank-and-files to the mutating effects of the curse.


US<5 Characters are still subject to the mutation.

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I'm still not entirely sure about this actually. Reading the FAQ, it looks like characters with US<5 are affected as normal but it says they are treated like characters being shot at. Looking at the BRB in that section, basically if a character is in a unit of US5+, he can't be hit. So theoretically, all characters are immune to the mutating effects. The FAQ implies otherwise, but i'm not sure. Is there somewhere that says that if a big unit with a character is wiped out from shooting, the character is also killed?

aside from that, I'm super glad this fAQ is out! one or two surprises (bonebreaker US, furnace marching and shooting) but it answers most questions nicely.
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It says replace the entire unit, the only point at which they talk about placing a character 1" away is when the US5+ slips in.

US5+ is immune to CotHR

US<4Characters (from what I've read) still appear to be subject to the effects.

If a unit of 20 (19 + character) takes 22 casualties all models should be replace; unless that character happens to be US5+

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However, if the characters in the unit are Unit Strength 5 or more, they are not affected by the spell at all and casualties will fall amongst other models in the unit (just imagine the characters are not there). If the unit is destroyed by the spell, the player controlling the characters must place them anwhere 1" away fomr the newly formed Clanrats, facing in any direction.


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On the question of censor bearers, the first page of the errata states that

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All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer must take a toughness test.


Does this mean that the second rank of a unit engaging censor bearers would also have to take a test, as they are in base contact with the first rank that is fighting the censors? That would be ridiculous.
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Mar 8 2010, 04:56 PM
On the question of censor bearers, the first page of the errata states that

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All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer must take a toughness test.


Does this mean that the second rank of a unit engaging censor bearers would also have to take a test, as they are in base contact with the first rank that is fighting the censors? That would be ridiculous.

It means precisely that. And actually that's not ridiculous. Ridiculous was the idea that people had to test every combat phase regardless of whether the wielder was in combat or not.
So, the 3rd rank and back don't need to test.
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Fwum
Mar 8 2010, 04:56 PM
On the question of censor bearers, the first page of the errata states that

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All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer must take a toughness test.


Does this mean that the second rank of a unit engaging censor bearers would also have to take a test, as they are in base contact with the first rank that is fighting the censors? That would be ridiculous.

No it doesn't. Read it again. It says all models fighting with (ie using) a plague censer (ie the weapon), not all models fighting with (ie against) a plague censer bearer (ie the model).
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Mar 8 2010, 05:05 PM
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All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer must take a toughness test.



All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer bearer must take a toughness test.

It means precisely that. And actually that's not ridiculous. Ridiculous was the idea that people had to test every combat phase regardless of whether the wielder was in combat or not.
So, the 3rd rank and back don't need to test.

No. only models in contact will take T test. Not the 2nd rank.

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Mar 8 2010, 05:18 PM
Fwum
Mar 8 2010, 04:56 PM
On the question of censor bearers, the first page of the errata states that

Quote:
 
All models fighting with a plague censor, and any model (friend or foe) in base contact with one or more models fighting with a plague censer must take a toughness test.


Does this mean that the second rank of a unit engaging censor bearers would also have to take a test, as they are in base contact with the first rank that is fighting the censors? That would be ridiculous.

No it doesn't. Read it again. It says all models fighting with (ie using) a plague censer (ie the weapon), not all models fighting with (ie against) a plague censer bearer (ie the model).

Ah, thanks. I was a little confused when reading it.
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Mar 8 2010, 05:18 PM
It means precisely that. And actually that's not ridiculous. Ridiculous was the idea that people had to test every combat phase regardless of whether the wielder was in combat or not.
So, the 3rd rank and back don't need to test.

No. only models in contact will take T test. Not the 2nd rank.

The second rank is in contact with a model fighting with a Plague Censer, namely the first rank.
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Mar 8 2010, 05:32 PM
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Mar 8 2010, 05:18 PM
It means precisely that. And actually that's not ridiculous. Ridiculous was the idea that people had to test every combat phase regardless of whether the wielder was in combat or not.
So, the 3rd rank and back don't need to test.

No. only models in contact will take T test. Not the 2nd rank.

The second rank is in contact with a model fighting with a Plague Censer, namely the first rank.

Well it says fighting with a plague censor not with a plague censor bearer. I think thats what he is getting at.
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PL is right, and it's not particularly ridiculous.
The plague censer bearers in combat will test. So will the enemies in base contact with them. So will friendly models in base to base contact with them.

The point is that they are emitting a gas cloud when swung in combat, which will affect both the wielder and anyone touching him.

The change is that ranked up models will not test outside of combat. Otherwise it's the same as before. (oh, and the way it was worded before, it seemed as if the wielder wouldn't have to test. This is no longer true either.)
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