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Poisioned wind mortars question?
Topic Started: 23rd December 2009 - 09:56 PM (429 Views)
James100
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when the storm banner is active does the poisioned wind mortar need to roll to be able to fire or seeing as its warpstone does it not need to roll and fires as normal?

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The answer is that there is no answer. :(

The rules state that "all non-magical missile attacks" that don't use a BS roll to hit need to roll a 4+. However, there is disagreement to what "magical missile attacks" are.

Some take it to mean "Magic Missiles," a specific type of spell, defined in the core rules. Others take it to mean any type of ranged attack that happens to be magical.

Neither side can be proven beyond doubt. In such situations, I suggest you take the route of least advantage. When I play with the Storm Banners, I play it as affecting my Mortars and Warpfire throwers.
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I'd say missiles are arrows, bullets, quarrels,....
Magic missiles are things like warp-lightning or fireballs.
Therefore, PWM are affected. It is confusing though.
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Magical missile attacks are any magical spell that is described as a magic missile in the spell description. It's not a single spell. See page 110.

Magic missile spells will still hit their target automatically. Everything else, including other spells that aren't characterized as magic missiles, that doesn't use a BS to fire can only fire on a 4+.
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Dec 23 2009, 05:50 PM
Magical missile attacks are any magical spell that is described as a magic missile in the spell description. It's not a single spell. See page 110.

Magic missile spells will still hit their target automatically. Everything else, including other spells that aren't characterized as magic missiles, that doesn't use a BS to fire can only fire on a 4+.

Playing Devil's Advocate here:

A Warpfire thrower is both a missile weapon and magical making it a magic missile. One could argue that the term is meant for only magic missiles attacks but those are classed as magic missiles not magical missiles.
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Dec 23 2009, 06:21 PM
A Warpfire thrower is both a missile weapon and magical making it a magic missile. One could argue that the term is meant for only magic missiles attacks but those are classed as magic missiles not magical missiles.

this is acually the consensus of UE if i'm not mistaken. in the stormbanner thread it was ruled that all our shooting that does not require BS to shoot and has the warpstone weapon rule (eg. WFT, WLC, etc) is unaffected by it.
i would use the 6th ed. FAQ for it since the wording hasn't changed and i doubt the intents have, but peraople seem to think half our shooting should be unaffected
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Wow, didnt think we would get this far into another thread on this subject. Especially since Ironshark summed up the current dilemma with his post.

To sum it all up, until there is a FAQ that officially clarifies (I hope to the GHO this is covered) what magical missiles is supposed to mean when used to describe the storm banner rules it is best to come to an agreement with your current opponents or get a ruling from a tourney organizer before you start a battle.

My gaming group (which by no means infers this is correct) plays it to mean that all ranged attacks that count as magical are affected.
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Dec 23 2009, 08:27 PM
Wow, didnt think we would get this far into another thread on this subject.

you're no fun. we allready discussed boneberaker US in 3-5 threads, same with warpstone tokens, its unfair to discriminate against the storm banner :P alltough one use only has been discussed in 2 or 3 threads aswell
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Im going to agree with Ironshark here but as im writing this the GW website is down for maintenance could this be the beginning of an errata i don't know :blink:
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