| Strength in numbers and Jezzails | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 22nd December 2009 - 10:40 AM (554 Views) | |
| Riktikticheck | 22nd December 2009 - 10:40 AM Post #1 |
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So the army bestiary section start with sayin all units are affected by Strenght in numbers but Jezzails do not have that special rule listed under their description. So which part of the rulebook do you think is the one to follow on this? |
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| Bibamus | 22nd December 2009 - 11:44 AM Post #2 |
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does it matter? you need a lot of jezzails in ranks to benefit from SiN from panic caused my missiles... even on a hill some jezzails won't get to shoot. if close combat is the issue those guys will probably de before any Ld tests need to be taken, or lose CC so badly that SiN won't matter when you need to roll snake eyes. but to answer the question.... one is a general rules (all) and the other is specific. the absence of SiN entry in teh jezzail specail rules should mean they do not benefit from it |
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| SiliconSicilian | 22nd December 2009 - 01:45 PM Post #3 |
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Think of the omission as a tip from the designers that SiN on Jezzails is a waste of points and very poor, tactically. |
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| Yeti | 22nd December 2009 - 02:22 PM Post #4 |
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I agree that even if they had it, it would be useless. But simply because it's listed in the special rules section does not imply that all units benefit from it. The Special Rules section at the start of the Bestiary simply outlines the special rules that certain skaven units can have. It does not imply that all skaven units have that rule. Wether they have it or not is detailed in they specific enty in the bestiary or the army list. |
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| Riktikticheck | 22nd December 2009 - 02:36 PM Post #5 |
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well i would not have raised the issue but the special rule says all skaven units add their rank to ld, not most or some ![]() the issue came up with 5x2 unit of jezzails rolling 6 for panic on some giant rats... |
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| SiliconSicilian | 22nd December 2009 - 04:51 PM Post #6 |
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I can see the confusion. However, the entry for the Jezzails says they are a weapon team, although they are bought differently. Since they have no parent, they have no SiN. That said, an FAQ is probably needed. |
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| Riktikticheck | 22nd December 2009 - 05:28 PM Post #7 |
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that would be an interesting validation as the weapon teams have the SiN rule... even if they can in no way get any ranks. |
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| SiliconSicilian | 22nd December 2009 - 05:33 PM Post #8 |
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Yes, but their SiN comes from their parent. Jezzails have no parent. |
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| C57Black | 22nd December 2009 - 09:56 PM Post #9 |
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Everbody has a mommy! even snipers!
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| RATchman | 22nd December 2009 - 11:35 PM Post #10 |
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Not to thread hijack too much, but I only use Jezzails for large nasty things like Giants, Wyverns, Steamtanks etc. Instead of putting them in a location where they can be panicked with ease, I deploy them totally behind my army sometimes even on the baseline. Their job is to ding wounds off of big nasties. Normally there is at least a hundred models between my jezzails and the closest enemy. Losing skirmish wasn't the worst thing that could happen. Losing the S6 and AP would have been the worst thing that could happen. I predict a return to Jezzails once the excitement over the Plague stuff is over. You just need a way to reach out and touch the big stuff to at least weaken it so that your other stuff can finish it off. |
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| Lidef Ostrac | 23rd December 2009 - 09:52 AM Post #11 |
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I know I can't quote, but the book says that EVERY unit in skavendom can add their rank bonus to their LD :ph43r: another example of how badly-written the current book is they need a very-very big FAQ for skaven |
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