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A-bomb vs. Varghulf; Opinions
Topic Started: 18th December 2009 - 06:29 AM (1,019 Views)
carcharoth
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yeah, the hydra is ridiculously underpriced.
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I_ated_Warpstone
Dec 18 2009, 11:57 AM
I'm not sure that I understand your moral compulsion here. You won't take a HPA below 2k but you're ok with a Hydra?

Dark Elves is my competetive army, Skaven will be my friendly army :)

Besides, the Hydra is such a cool model. I would have taken it even if it was 250 points too.

But HPA beats a hydra any time of the day
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I_ated_Warpstone
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Nah - Hydra has several huge advantages over the HPA.

The hydra is:

Predictable - easier to strategically play with than a random move
Active in the shooting phase - always good to be active in multiple phases
Not slowed by difficult terrain - allowing it to effectively hide from shooting
Supplemented by excellent handlers - 6 hatred WS4 AP attacks doesn't suck
Has an armor save - better than the HPA with it's regenerate only
on average 1" faster - with a move 12 instead of the average 11" of the HPA

Now as to friendly versus competitive armies I can see that entirely. If you intend to play Skaven as a friendly force fielding an HPA below 2k won't do.
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I consider the Hydra to be marginally better than the abomination regardless of points. Abomination is amazing, but has real weaknesses to compensate with it being a killer in combat.
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Sorry to parrot everybody else but yeah, the Varghulf would get reduced to paste. Its really not an opinion it's a fact...or maybe a consensus? :unsure: Sorry don't have any real experiance vs. the Hydra or Dark Elves in general.
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Let us not forget that an A-Bomb has impact hits and can charge in any direction.
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Let's just say they're both hard. They do crazy things for their point cost. People over at the Dark Elf forums will prolly say the HPA is tougher than the Hydra, and here people will say the Hydra is tougher than the HPA. It's all personal preference and experience.

Btw, the Hydra is slowed by terrain, but only when charging. Compulsory movement can be done without penalty for moving through terrain.
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I_ated_Warpstone
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Dec 18 2009, 08:07 PM
Compulsory movement can be done without penalty for moving through terrain.

Nope - compulsory is slowed by difficult terrain as per the usual rules.
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Reason for that being that terrain actually counts each inch of movement through it as 2", so the random movement counts as going that far.
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I_ated_Warpstone
Dec 18 2009, 08:10 PM
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Dec 18 2009, 08:07 PM
Compulsory movement can be done without penalty for moving through terrain.

Nope - compulsory is slowed by difficult terrain as per the usual rules.

Compulsory Movement is slowed... but what I think he meant was Random Movement. The HPA is not slowed by difficult terrain as its movement is Random.
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Dec 18 2009, 08:51 PM
Compulsory Movement is slowed... but what I think he meant was Random Movement.  The HPA is not slowed by difficult terrain as its movement is Random.

But it is slowed by difficult terrain. If you were to roll an 11" and move in to a forest you would be slowed. Every inch you moved through the forest would cost you 2" so you are slowed by difficult terrain. Just because his movement is random does not preclude him from being slowed down by difficult terrain.

The hydra however is only slowed when charging through difficult terrain, not when moving so this is an advantage for the hydra.
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I_ated_Warpstone
Dec 19 2009, 02:10 AM
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Dec 18 2009, 08:07 PM
Compulsory movement can be done without penalty for moving through terrain.

Nope - compulsory is slowed by difficult terrain as per the usual rules.

I was talking about the Hydra, silly :rolleyes: :P
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since i have a DE usual opponent i do hear a lot of bitching about the HPA and stormbanner, and how the hydra is not undepriced and no as tough... its jus a matter of opinion.

by the way, remember the warghulf can be healed with Invocation of Nehek so he might beat an A-Bomb with a vamp or 2 nearby. analysing the comba 1v1 is not a fair analysis since the varghulf was ment to be supported by IoN
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SiliconSicilian
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Vargulf is a vampire, and a monster. It may only gain one wound per successful casting of IoN.
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Dec 20 2009, 12:03 AM
Vargulf is a vampire, and a monster. It may only gain one wound per successful casting of IoN.

ofcourse, but a vampire can cast a lot of IoN's
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