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A-bomb vs. Varghulf; Opinions
Topic Started: 18th December 2009 - 06:29 AM (1,018 Views)
Fenris
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This is a my dad could beat your dad question. Like who would win in a fight between Chewbacca an Big Foot? Has any one seen a no holds barred fight to the death between an A-Bomb and a VC's Varghulf? I would like to know how they stack up against eachother. And has anyone heard about the new Gorgon that beasts of chaos will be getting. With armies getting big bad creatures and each one seeming to try and outdo the previose I expect it to be rayther nastie.
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Black Death
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There's no way the Vargulf would even stand a chance against HPA. There's just too many attacks coming from the HPA for it to be able to hold out after the first round of combat or two. Plus it'll likely suffer more wounds per round than the HPA and crumble from the combat res.
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Tenoshii
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Varghulf would get pulverised. Vargy is not really all that nasty as far as big monsters go to be honest. Compared to the Hydra, HPA, Doomwheel, Stank etc. Even Treemen would give it a good go and they're still 6th edition!

HPA is pretty THE monster at the moment. It's more powerful than the Hydra and about as under-costed.
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SiliconSicilian
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I have only seen a Vargulf get into combat once and that was a dual Vargulf army. They are so fragile to shooting. After it was in combat with A-Bomb, I think it would die even quicker.

My VC army does has never had a Vargulf (even though I have the model) because it is such a crap unit. You can keep listing the flaws with this beast that made it sit unassembled at the bottom of my project box since VC got the reprint. It is a Vampire... only one wound is gained back from an Invocation. It takes up a valuable rare choice. While the same can be said for most beasts, other armies have beasts that are the BEST unit in their army. VC have 3 units which far outperform the Vargulf in the rare category alone.

But, your question was merely "versus combat." The sheer volume of attacks coming from the HPA will obliterate the Vargulf. If it gets lucky and wins a round, the HPA is still Stubborn 8 and will make up for it next round. The only way a Vargulf could win this fight is if the HPA kept rolling 1/2 on the attack chart.
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Yea, HPA wins that handily 17 times out of 20.

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Gaz Taylor
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Considering that a HPA chucks out loads of attacks, has more wounds and also starts a round of combat on higher US, I wouldn't expect the Vargulf to do much at all. I think a Hydra might cause a HPA to stumble but at the moment it's king of the beasties.
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HPA would muder a Varghulf anytime.

However, Im a huge fan of the Varghulf, and always use it in my VC army. It provides a good unit with which to sercure a flank. It may struggle 1-on-1 against ranked infantry, but when used in a combo-charge with ghouls or attacking enemy flankers, it does its job. Im even used to it seeing off small units of Dragon Princes and such single handedly...
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Tenoshii
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To be fair to the Varghulf it is about 100 points cheaper isn't it? And it flies... I'm not a fan of them but they're pretty good for what they are.
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To be fair to the Varghulf it is about 100 points cheaper isn't it? And it flies... I'm not a fan of them but they're pretty good for what they are.


Nope, it cant fly. It moves fast, but doesnt fly. Though looking at the model, you would assume it could fly. It has wings. Surely it could fly, right? <_<

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I haven't used a HPA yet, because I don't really find it moraly possible to field a HPA in a game of less than 2,000 points. However, I have killed quite a number of Vargulfs with my DE Hydra. HPA is much tougher than a Hydra, so it would be really easy then, I guess.

With my Hydra, I even took a charge from a DO Shaggoth, and won combat by 2, and then overran it. This is, however, a point difference of nearly 150 points in the Hydra's favour. This game is a bit broken.
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carcharoth
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a-bomb will beat the varghulf into a fine paste.
not really a fair comparision. the vargulf is a "mini-monster" like the tomb scorpion; it doesn't even break ranks.
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Tenoshii
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Dec 18 2009, 10:41 AM
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To be fair to the Varghulf it is about 100 points cheaper isn't it? And it flies... I'm not a fan of them but they're pretty good for what they are.


Nope, it cant fly. It moves fast, but doesnt fly. Though looking at the model, you would assume it could fly. It has wings. Surely it could fly, right? <_<

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That's... Stoopid <_< I've played against a few but never really noticed. They're always on flanks and never going over terrain so I just assumed my opponenet wasn't moving the full 20 :P
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I_ated_Warpstone
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Dec 18 2009, 11:08 AM
I haven't used a HPA yet, because I don't really find it moraly possible to field a HPA in a game of less than 2,000 points. However, I have killed quite a number of Vargulfs with my DE Hydra. HPA is much tougher than a Hydra, so it would be really easy then, I guess.

With my Hydra, I even took a charge from a DO Shaggoth, and won combat by 2, and then overran it. This is, however, a point difference of nearly 150 points in the Hydra's favour. This game is a bit broken.

I'm not sure that I understand your moral compulsion here. You won't take a HPA below 2k but you're ok with a Hydra?
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Tenoshii
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Dec 18 2009, 11:57 AM
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Dec 18 2009, 11:08 AM
I haven't used a HPA yet, because I don't really find it moraly possible to field a HPA in a game of less than 2,000 points. However, I have killed quite a number of Vargulfs with my DE Hydra. HPA is much tougher than a Hydra, so it would be really easy then, I guess.

With my Hydra, I even took a charge from a DO Shaggoth, and won combat by 2, and then overran it. This is, however, a point difference of nearly 150 points in the Hydra's favour. This game is a bit broken.

I'm not sure that I understand your moral compulsion here. You won't take a HPA below 2k but you're ok with a Hydra?

Hydra is *far* cheesier than HPA. It's the most undercosted unit in the entire game.

HPA may be better than a Hydra, but it's a lot more expensive too. HPA may be overpowered. Hydra is horribly broken.
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I_ated_Warpstone
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Dec 18 2009, 12:06 PM
Hydra is *far* cheesier than HPA. It's the most undercosted unit in the entire game.

HPA may be better than a Hydra, but it's a lot more expensive too. HPA may be overpowered. Hydra is horribly broken.


This is what I was getting at. The Hydra is far worse than a HPA and costs less. If you can stomach using a hydra at pre 2k levels then you should be easily be able to justify using a HPA.
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