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Games Workshop is sinking REALLY low; All BoardGameGeek GW files taken offline
Topic Started: 26th November 2009 - 01:36 PM (2,355 Views)
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It does seem to me that GW cares only enough about its consumers and employees to keep a bare minimum standard. However, I think we can all agree that the company owns an incredibly absorbing and richly detailed game system. Especially for a fluff fanatic like myself. I hate to see a company which produces a game I love treat its employees like dirt, but name one other international company that doesn't. Either way, I never have bought any of my models directly from GW because they are gougers for price. You pay for the "prestige" of buying from GW and that is bull. I am sorry for the predicament you were put into warpstone, and I wish you luck in sorting things out.
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Dec 6 2009, 10:58 PM
Nilax,Nov 26 2009
10:22 AM

I find it more ironic when people throw Privateer Press out there as this paladin-like company that is not at all a faceless company when their only success is not caring what their people do with their product, and treating it less like a whole product and more like a video game to keep reformatting. Not even considering the quality of gameplay or going more deeply into the setting, but instead tossing expansion after expansion one on the other.
That seems more like a faceless corporation than the people who are constantly updating the setting and making rules changes to remove abusive rules and tactics.


Ha ha ha.

Privateer press so far have had 6 or 7 years of their first edition. And make minor changes based on actual player feedback for the purpose of game balance.

Gamesworkshop on the other hand churn out book after book, with editions being out as short a time as 4 years. And make ill formed changes based purely on making people buy new stuff/new books.

GW's thory on game improvement = if it was rubbish before make it stupidly overpowerd, if it was good before make it totaly awful so only a idiot would take it. Its really annoying seeing units do a constant see-saw of useage.

Luckily we have had recent very good balanced books in the form of the imperial guard codex and the skaven codex. However the discrace that is 5th edition 40k, the demon army book and the chaos codex do not make up for it.

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Not too draw this too far off topic but 5th Edition 40k is fantastic. Its hands down the best balanced core rule book to date.
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Dec 26 2009, 08:04 PM
Ratemis
Dec 6 2009, 10:58 PM
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Nov 26 2009, 10:22 AM

I find it more ironic when people throw Privateer Press out there as this paladin-like company that is not at all a faceless company when their only success is not caring what their people do with their product, and treating it less like a whole product and more like a video game to keep reformatting. Not even considering the quality of gameplay or going more deeply into the setting, but instead tossing expansion after expansion one on the other.
That seems more like a faceless corporation than the people who are constantly updating the setting and making rules changes to remove abusive rules and tactics.


Ha ha ha.

Privateer press so far have had 6 or 7 years of their first edition. And make minor changes based on actual player feedback for the purpose of game balance.

Gamesworkshop on the other hand churn out book after book, with editions being out as short a time as 4 years. And make ill formed changes based purely on making people buy new stuff/new books.

GW's thory on game improvement = if it was rubbish before make it stupidly overpowerd, if it was good before make it totaly awful so only a idiot would take it. Its really annoying seeing units do a constant see-saw of useage.

Luckily we have had recent very good balanced books in the form of the imperial guard codex and the skaven codex. However the discrace that is 5th edition 40k, the demon army book and the chaos codex do not make up for it.

So, GW's changing things quickly based on feedback and seeing how people use the rules makes them terrible people, but PP's slower changes based on feedback (much closer to GW just 12 years ago) makes them super heroes.

Remember that GW is an old giant. Where PP is now, GW was at it's beginning. The only quick change GW has done recently was from 4-5 in 40k, mainly due to player feedback on it. 3rd edition was around for several years before GW wanted to update it. Fantasy has continued as slow as ever.

Gee I dunno, but maybe it's just easy for people to bash a company with a longer record than it is to bash one with a shorter record.

I still find it pointless to bash a company on sites like this.
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got a point with last sentence Ratemis, however we do support this hobby and it would be nice if GW would take our opinion in account. Unfortunately approach of GW towards us can be best described with a direct quatation fro ma local GW managed " People coming here belong to two categories- customers and hobbyists. I only care about customers". Nuff said?
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Rats&Goblins
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seems fair to me, they *are* a business that depends on it's customers to keep it running. Doesn't matter how many people in the hobby they have, if they aren't getting money from them, they can't support their games and miniature production - or their stores.
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Dec 27 2009, 11:18 AM
got a point with last sentence Ratemis, however we do support this hobby and it would be nice if GW would take our opinion in account. Unfortunately approach of GW towards us can be best described with a direct quatation fro ma local GW managed " People coming here belong to two categories- customers and hobbyists. I only care about customers". Nuff said?

Sounds like your expecting a dog to quack. It's a large company, and while it doesn't do much to discourage the use of their products without buying more, it still has to make it's profit margins. So things like studio support for products that don't sell well get cut. Fan made materials that would bypass the need for their books get removed.

GW is incredibly upfront about this, and don't really try to hide anything about this type of behavior. However, they do try to support things before realizing that they're losing a considerable amount of money doing it. They aren't some entirely heartless company, and they do make the attempt to support the hobbyists and people who play the game.
In a way they're just about the only company I actually trust when they say they're doing something for such and such reason, because they're incredibly frank to the point of being detrimental. Not that it means that I'm particularly happy about it when they do these things.
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