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Skaven Spells Lore?
Topic Started: 19th November 2009 - 01:02 AM (512 Views)
Bayushinezumi


Wondering what the opinion is on whether or not Skaven spells are considered a lore for purposes of the DOC Great Banner of Sundering. Neither this book nor the last label the spell list as a lore whereas even VC and WE unique spells fall in the lore category. A GW rep told me Skaven spells are not a lore but I have a player in my local group that thinks that its a stupid issue and of course its a lore.
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Tenoshii
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Skaven have two lores. It may not say "The Lore of Ruin/Plague but that's what they are. With regards to the banner, the DoC player picks which one it affects.
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Yeah last ed that banner would effect all your spells, it was really nasty, now with 2 lores its a bit better for us.

On a completely seperate rant i think its silly to let empire wizards choose which lore of magic to choose from after u see who your playing, your bringing a specific wizard to a battle (eg Bright wizard-Fire) you cant plomp him down and all of a sudden he's been learning the necromantic artes of death for the last 20 years....grumble grumble.
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bakfire the experimenter
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i agree but against this banner you just need to ensure you pick from both lores...

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ironically does this meant he 13th spell is unaffected as it isnt part of either lore??
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bakfire the experimenter
Nov 19 2009, 04:14 AM
mutate:

ironically does this meant he 13th spell is unaffected as it isnt part of either lore??

Yes this is true, in the tourney scene that DoC banner affects for EG high magic but does NOT affect drain magic as it is not in the spell lore. dont think id take it too well if i rolled 26 and was told i failed!!!!
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Grus
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I agree the banner gives -2 to cast one of the lores but doesnt do anything against the 13th spell in the same way it doesnt to anything against IoN or drain magic. Not that it matters much since the 13th spell will get scrolled unless rolled with IF meaning that -2 to cast wouldnt really do anything anyway
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Seerlord OmNomNom
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Well, I would sya they're lores, but the 13th spell is exempt, which seems fitting with precedent and it just seems right that the spell is exempt, seeing how awesome it be.

THough you don't really have to worry about it being scrolled, as daemons can't caddy scrolls like other armies (dispell scrolls are replaced with spell breaker, whihc you can't take twice on the same character)

That bieng said, the banner is a major part of the daemons magic defense (I can only think of 4 armies i wouldn't take it against), so here's a tip on what you can do to counter it.

In the book it clearly states you should roll to see who generates spells first. Lot of people skip this, but if you do it properly and make the daemon player go first, he'll probably choose the lore the majority of your heroes, not your lords, can take. This means you can keep that -2 away from your grey seer/vermin lord, who will be hurt the most frequently by this.


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Stripsteak
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he's going to know what spells each character has. it's chosen after deployment, which is after spell selection.

also agreeing the 13th spell is exempt it's not part of any lore.
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reddogfish77
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i thought more than one character in a DoC army could take the same gift cause they werent magic items??
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Nov 20 2009, 09:08 PM
i thought more than one character in a DoC army could take the same gift cause they werent magic items??

Correct, but the Standard of Sundering is a Daemonic Icon, not a Gift. Thanks to the limitations on Daemonic Icons the only way it can be fielded is on a Battle Standard Bearer.
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reddogfish77
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no.. i was referring to the comment about spell breaker...
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Well in that case *scans DoC book* multiple characters can take the same gift, but the same character cannot take repeats. Even a fully Tzeentch-character 2000 point army can only get 3 Dispel Scroll equivalents and one super Dispel (caster could forget the spell after the spell is canceled). Of the other daemon characters, only the Bloodthirster can take the Spellbreaker. Any other army could get that many instant dispellings on 2 wizards.

I never looked too close at the Daemon armies before this (have the fortune of not knowing anyone that uses them). It's funny, for all the magic a non-Khorne Daemon army can pour out, they need Tzeentch characters/Horrors to block enemy magic.
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