| Slaves question; Should they all be rats? | |
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| Lidef Ostrac | 19th November 2009 - 12:24 PM Post #16 |
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The new army book fluff sais that clan mors actually captured many many night goblin tribes, and had them fighting in the skaven-orc-dwarf war for karak 8 peaks c'mon skaven are a race who want to enslave all of the surface-dwellers... so why not drive them forward imagine you're an empire soldier captured and held underground for a few months, so mentally broken you just wanna die... not to mention the "concerned rats" rule |
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| Warlord Snickers | 19th November 2009 - 02:52 PM Post #17 |
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Truth, plus skaven slaves are also forced to mine warpstone and the mineral could drive them mad. I actually converted my PCBs from goblin fanatics to tie in that very concept with the slaves. One is even a plague priest who consumed some of the warpstone by accident and the GHR spoke to him! Skaven rock. |
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| Ratarsed | 19th November 2009 - 03:11 PM Post #18 |
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I don't recall reading this
Exactly, if you just want to die why even put up a fight, and as soon as you are given a weapon why not turn on your captors and try and take one of them with you? I see no cornered man-slave, or cornered Night goblin rule. I see only cornered RATS rule Ratarsed (who will never use non skaven slaves and as such will conquer all )
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| onions | 19th November 2009 - 03:13 PM Post #19 |
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I love the thought of Empire militia combusting after losing a combat! |
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| I_ated_Warpstone | 19th November 2009 - 03:26 PM Post #20 |
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I do, however, see modeling night goblins chained to a bomb like device that Skaven overlords can detonate upon seeing the worthless goblins break. All it really takes is a bit of thinking outside the box to rationalize the rules for different models. And to suggest that Skaven can't break lesser races to force them to march to the fore of their army is honestly insulting to the many Grey Seers who's own specialty it is to bring the lesser races to heel. TL;DR - Just because you can't justify non skaven being skaven slaves doesn't mean that you should discourage others from doing that. |
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| krosanreaper | 19th November 2009 - 04:39 PM Post #21 |
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The issue of not using other races slaves as fighters, that's why you don't see elf things and dwarf things(at least often), they are strong willed and would rather fight their captors. Goblin things fight each other all the time and are used to being treated badly, man things come from all walks of life and peasants are again already in a bad spot, skinks I'm less sure how good they would be as slaves. |
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| Ratarsed | 19th November 2009 - 04:51 PM Post #22 |
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Am I not then allowed to express my opinion on the subject? Ratarsed |
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| Warlord Snickers | 19th November 2009 - 05:11 PM Post #23 |
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Rat, you are going beyond expressing an opinion to be more pushy on the subject. |
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| Midnight_Fox | 19th November 2009 - 06:27 PM Post #24 |
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Why didn't real life slaves ever turn around and beat the few(2-3) people keeping watch over them in history? If you break someone's will, they WILL do what you tell them to. |
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| Discomite | 20th November 2009 - 04:51 AM Post #25 |
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I am in the camp of using only Skaven as slaves to fight. I just think Skaven, being the paranoid and scheming bunch that they are, would not trust any other creature, no matter how broken, to fight against that creature's own kind or ally. Skaven spend their lives looking over their shoulders. They would not risk a slave rebellion on the battlefield more than they already do. Skaven slaves don't fight just because they are broken and whipped forward. They have the burning hatred for all things non-Skaven too. The warlords know this and take advantage of this as much as they can. The slaves of races would be used for terrible back-breaking labor, isolated from their own, or as subject of experimentation or for food. Just my thoughts. I still like to see what other Skaven players have done to convert other races to be slaves, and I would still play with (against? mwahaha) players who have these kinds of slaves. More stories illustrating the conquest But I won't do that with my own army unless I have some cool fluff to back it up.
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| Swissdictator | 20th November 2009 - 06:22 AM Post #26 |
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Well I might split the difference. Grab the Skull Pass Night Gobbos, drill out the face, and stick any extra skaven heads I have in there. That and maybe similar with Zombies (A little greenstuff to cover bones very thinly... so they look boney, but not having exposed bones) with Skaven heads. No tails, because my slaves will have had their tails clipped just to be cruel! So they will have skaven heads, but look wildly different enough to be clear that they are NOT clan rats. That was always my issue with Skaven before, the same figures for clanrats and slaves. Even more annoying when clanrats also didn't have spears (which I prefer as I love the look). |
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| Morgoth | 20th November 2009 - 07:36 AM Post #27 |
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Those slaves, you do not trust to fight, can just be meat-shields against shooting. You can also make the unit mixed. The skaven slaves will most certainy kick, bite, beat the lesser races forward. If a skaven in any way can find some lower ranking, he WILL abuse it. |
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| Bibamus | 20th November 2009 - 10:30 AM Post #28 |
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regarding skaven no ttrusting anything but another rat as a slave in combat. i am under the impresion that skaven do not consider slaves anything but.... well things that die for them, i don't think there's any trust involved. regarding slaves fleeing off to the other side. you can use goblin v. epmire, dwarves, elves, etc; humans v orks, ogres, skaven, etc. you get the point. as long as you dont use humans v humans the fluff should not be a problem. just say that the slaves think they have more chances with the skaven (due to promise of release) than the army they are fighting wich is sure to kill them. ohh, and i thought of having a unit of 19 skeletons and a vampire/liche priest as the champions since 2 of my local oponents play TK/VC
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| Kariko83 | 20th November 2009 - 11:16 AM Post #29 |
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The first problem with the rational of only trusting skaven slaves to fight in combat is the assumption that they would trust other skaven to begin with. Skaven are an insidious and paranoid bunch so trust is something that really doesnt ever happen with them, just read the fluff for Queek and Gnawdell's relationship. |
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| jonadaya | 20th November 2009 - 12:08 PM Post #30 |
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I have a Clan Pestilens army with 84 skinks
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But I won't do that with my own army unless I have some cool fluff to back it up.

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