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Skaven Arcane items; A couple of questions
Topic Started: 16th November 2009 - 05:01 AM (464 Views)
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After reading over the wording of our warp-energy condenser and warpstone tokens I'm wondering if a plague priest can take them. The condenser states "...a Grey Seer or Warlock Engineer", and the Warpstone Tokens say "Multiple Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers". Does this mean that the plague priest can't take either of these?

And another question: can mages take multiple power stones, and can multiple mages take them?

Thanks in advance.

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It says Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers, so only they can take them. Can't get any more specific than that.

Any caster can have as many power stones as their magic items points limit will allow. I'm pretty sure they're treated like scrolls, but will have to check the rulebook for that.
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Considering the wording, I'd have to say the Priest can't use either of the items you mention.
As for the powerstones, yes to both. You can only use 1 per spell-casting though.
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At least that way makes sense fluff-wise as well; you wouldn't see a Priest with some techno-gizmos all over him to help his magic as he get all his help directly from the Horned Rat. On the other side of that Skryre and the Grey Seers have always felt that they should be the only casters, so they wouldn't share their toys with Pestilens.
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Thanks for your answers guys! I was fairly sure about the condenser, but the warpstone tokens caused a bit more uncertainty. I guess I wasn't sure because 6th ed allowed priests to take warpstone tokens, but I'll accept that they can't anymore.

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Plague Priests can certainly take Warpstone Tokens. The are an Arcane Item and Plague priests are allowed 50 points from the Skaven Magic Items list.

In addition, they can also physically take the Warp-energy Condenser, but since they can't cast Warp-Lightning 20 points for a 5+ chance of extra PD is too pricey to even consider.


Although Jeremy Vetock was certainly enthusiastic with writing the new book and did a beautiful job getting into true Skaven character, including fluff mixed into game rules causes misconceptions such as these. The text under Warpstone Tokens would have been too wordy if it said "Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers and Plague Priests."
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Nov 16 2009, 09:38 AM
Plague Priests can certainly take Warpstone Tokens. The are an Arcane Item and Plague priests are allowed 50 points from the Skaven Magic Items list.

In addition, they can also physically take the Warp-energy Condenser, but since they can't cast Warp-Lightning 20 points for a 5+ chance of extra PD is too pricey to even consider.


Although Jeremy Vetock was certainly enthusiastic with writing the new book and did a beautiful job getting into true Skaven character, including fluff mixed into game rules causes misconceptions such as these. The text under Warpstone Tokens would have been too wordy if it said "Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers and Plague Priests."

Which is why I believe that if the Priest's were meant to use them too, the rules would say 'Skaven wizards' instead of 'Warlocks and Seers'.
I have to say, the way the rules are written, the Priest can't use either item, even if he did buy them.
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*Clears his rule-lawyering throat*

I think its important to look for the rule, not the exception in this case. Think about all of the other army books, and how magic items in general work. We have the way magic items lists work in the BRB: if the hero can take magic items, they can choose up to 1 arcane item if they are a wizard. Unless explicit restrictions are stated (eg O&G book states "Goblin Only" or "Orc Only") theres no reason to generate restrictions based on fluff text.

I can't think of any other armies off hand that apply similar restrictions. Maybe someone could offer examples?
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Ogres. If a Slaughtermaster takes the Thundermace, he can't use the special attack, because it says "A Tyrant".

In the Ogre FAQ, GW stuck with the above intrepretation.
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If that's the precedent then I'm going to have to stick with it. I was not aware of the item in the Ogres list. Warpstone Tokens mention in 2 seperate occassions Grey Seers and Warlock Engineers specifically. Guess Plague Priests get the short end of that stick :(
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