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Does VerminLord suffer from daemonic instabillity?
Topic Started: 14th November 2009 - 09:39 PM (612 Views)
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Hi,

Does Vermin Lord suffer from daemonic instabillity?

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its not stated in the rules so no i dont think so! :)
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No, mainly because that while it says its a rat daemon, it says nothing about suffering from instability. All that rule means is that all anti-daemon weapons don't work against it. This means that a Vermin Lord will flee like most other units.
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Nov 14 2009, 04:45 PM
No, mainly because that while it says its a rat daemon, it says nothing about suffering from instability. All that rule means is that all anti-daemon weapons don't work against it. This means that a Vermin Lord will flee like most other units.

Thanks, I already thought so, but wanted to be sure.

Although I think you mean that all anti-daemon weapons work against it, instead of don't work against it, right?
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check page 40, ... affected by any rules, abilities, weapons, spells and so on...

I would take that as VL is affected by daemonic instability.
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Nov 14 2009, 05:02 PM
check page 40, ... affected by any rules, abilities, weapons, spells and so on...

I would take that as VL is affected by daemonic instability.

I think if it does suffer form instability than they had to explain the instability rule in this army book.
SoI do think they only mean attacks, magic, etc against deamonic creatures.
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Nov 14 2009, 11:02 PM
check page 40, ... affected by any rules, abilities, weapons, spells and so on...

I would take that as VL is affected by daemonic instability.

No.

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are a type of daemon, and are affected by any rules, abilities, weapons, spells and so on that work against daemonkind


This means things like the Lore of Light, or the Soulfire prayer, which say they affect daemons differently (usually with +1S).
Daemonic isntability isn't a rule that works against daemonkind, it's a rule that some daemonkind have.
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Tenoshii
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He doesn't, the Instability rule is a rule for the Daemons of Chaos army.
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He doesn't follow rules for instability because the instability rule is a sub rule of the Demonic special rule in the DoC book.
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And as precedent, you can check Warriors of Chaos:

Daemon Prince is Stubborn, does not have Daemonic Instability and IS a daemon for the purpose of Lore of Light, Lizardmen anti-daemon stuff and Sigmar's Burnination.

So, the Vermin Lord does not suffer from instability~
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he also has scurry away, which strongly implies he's breakable. no instability i think.

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He has scury away which is a fleeing rule, instability is not in the rule book, and it says "rat demon" although he is a demon it is only in the fact that anything that imbued with the power to smite demons also works on him. Seems fairly obvious from the entry and lack of instability in the main rule book.
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Its a poorly worded rule.

Rat Daemon: A Vermin Lord is a monster and can never join units, nor be the army general. Vermin Lords are a type of daemon and are effected by any rules, abilities, weapons, spells and so on that work against daemonkind.

Meaning technically its where you see Daemonic Instability as a good or bad thing, which means its up the player discretion(unbreakable but also suffers wounds on combat loss), but really its just another badly worded part in the book.

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Id go with flees, Scurry away could just be in there because everything else has it, but I doubt it.

Logic dictates that no they don't have it, but hell maybe GW messed up and just forgot to mention they have it, wouldn't be the first GW screwup.
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I'd rather him be unbreakable. Instability isn't nearly as bad as the undead crumbling. Most of the time you aren't going to take any additional wounds with that kind of leadership test.
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Nov 14 2009, 07:27 PM
And as precedent, you can check Warriors of Chaos:

Daemon Prince is Stubborn, does not have Daemonic Instability and IS a daemon for the purpose of Lore of Light, Lizardmen anti-daemon stuff and Sigmar's Burnination.

So, the Vermin Lord does not suffer from instability~

This is the correct answer. I understand there are alot of unanswered questions in this book, but this is not one of them. If the Vermin Lord suffered from Daemonic Instability, it would be listed under his rules, and have a description of how it works.
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