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Topic Started: 14th November 2009 - 05:52 PM (934 Views)
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Mine is Dwarfs!!! I hate them they are not only bitter enemies of Skaven in fluff but for me i lost against them in a tournament final what would of got me a GW gift voucher :KA-BOOM:


What is yours and why?
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Im going to have to say Daemons. As theyre a first edition book theyre not properly balanced and are therefore ridiculous.

Also its GW doing what it does best. The worst units in that book are the plastic models that were released. I imagine the briefing went like this:

"Make this book, daemons of chaos. The whole range is metal so Ill tell you what; make plastic daemonettes and bloodletters but make everything else in the book so good people will think they NEED this army, but the most useful units are metal, so theyll have to pay more"

Apart from that I havnt a problem with any other armies, and I seem to be in the vast majority that like Ogre Kingdoms


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I think i probably dislike playing high elves most.

Sure demons are clearly the most broken, and vampire counts can be impossibley hard to beat- but high elves are the most irritating. I mean, there are two options a) take the storm banner and totally ruin any chance the opposition has or B) don't take the storm banner and have your plague monks chase an eagle around the board and have your army shot to bits.
:P Thats my experiance anyway.

I like ogres, but am put off that everyone seems to think they wont ever win. The people at my society do tend to play quite competative lists...is there a "good" build for them? Or is it just a case of "wait till they cycle out and get a new book"?

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From a gameplay perspective - I must say Demons. The book is uncalled for and GW being so damned unapologetic about it is infuriating.

From fluff and bad past experiences - Brettonians - no one likes an army of foppish ninnies.
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My (6th edition) combat styled (horde, low-no shooting/magic) Skaven just could not match up against them at all. Even against some of the more moderate balanced VC lists, I'm winless and drawless against them in the past 3 or so years. Luckily I almost never get seated against them at tournaments and with this new edition I think I'll fair much better.

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carcharoth
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from a gameplay standpoint, it's gotta be daemons.
on a side note though, i don't like the fluff and units for VC or wood elves; too cliche.
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High Elves, without a doubt. Any army with that good shooting and magic does not need army wide ASF. It is just game killing to me, takes away half the challange of the game, and just makes it no fun.

On the note of daemons, the bloodletters and daemonettes are the most useful in 40k, so it was just GW ignoring fanatsy again. It is aftaully more profitable to have plastic molds for a unit now instead of metal (cheaper production cost + increase in sales because of plastic)

GW has apologized for Daemons in fantasy though, what gets me about it though is that they have produced even more broken armies since then (while newer list can be broken in the as many ways as daemons, a broken daemon list needs a lot of luck to beat a broken WoC/Lizardmen list.)

As for Ogres, everybody loves them fluffwise and thie models, it's the list tht fails them. The idea of having an army that relies on the charge when they have no cav, need large units of expsensive troops to make the charges count, and an inability to handle the shoooting, is just not going to work. After a singificant boost in the list though, this army would easily gain popularity. It seems to be in the same plave as beastmen right now, in that it's an unrewarding love.
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Nov 14 2009, 08:39 PM
GW has apologized for Daemons in fantasy though, what gets me about it though is that they have produced even more broken armies since then (while newer list can be broken in the as many ways as daemons, a broken daemon list needs a lot of luck to beat a broken WoC/Lizardmen list.)


Can you provide me with one of these broken WoC or Lizardmen lists that stands a snowball's chance in hell of surviving against a Obsidian Armor, Eternal Hatred BT, 6 Hound KB Herald, 12 Flamer, 30 Horror Demon List?

I don't either of those armies has a CHANCE at beating the top tier DoC cheese. DoC is the top tier of bulls**t. An apology from GW is not enough to make up for the book still being tournament legal. There is no reason at all for that book to exist.

On a side note - I'm pretty sure WoC is generally considered a "for the lulz" tier army, right there with O&G and Ogres.
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It has to be Vampire Counts for me. They are just so incredibly denial themed that I felt facing them in my first foray back into Fantasy was my punishment for playing Protectorate of Menoth in all those Warmachine tournaments...

Facing so many castings of Raise Dead / Invocation of Nehek on 1d6 was overwhelming. It was like facing Ogre magic, but instead of tossing out minor buffs my opponent was tossing out frenzy baiting / charge blocking regiments all over the place.

...and then there was the Vargulf.
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daemons, no contest. my games with them go, almost without exception, two ways.

1. i have a hard fought battle where i pull every trick in the book that allows me to flank every single unit in his army at least once, and everything goes off without a hitch, no bad dice rolls or anything. the game is a draw.

2. my army is wiped off the board, killed to the man with almost nothing running off the table, by the end of turn 4.

granted the only other army that is remotely cheesy that i played against was high elves, but i find it hard to believe that anything could be worse than routed in the first 2/3 of the game. i think the final VP score is something like 0 to 2300(in 2000 points).
The best way to configure an army is to go play demons.-Nevamore Posted on Nov 6 2009, 04:02 PM

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War machine heavy Empire annoy me to no end. In the old edition, it was way too easy to snipe off our weapon teams and losing my bell in turn 2 was no fun at all (failed the 3+ ward save and he got a 6 for wounds). Beating the same guy in a tournament a few months later really made me smile though (and won me 1st place :lol: ).

Daemons have never been a real issue at my local club, as all the daemon players are terrible (I'm guessing they all play daemons to compensate for it).

The biggest thorn in my side though I'd have to say would be High Elves. Most common list was 2 dragons, a birdie, 2 bolt throwers and a couple of units of sea guard. When I get my skaven up and running again (sold all my old models before 7th ed release :P ), with all the new toys we have on our side, I'm guessing this won't be such a problem any more.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and that super CR unit of Dragon Princes is just *shudder*.
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Seerlord OmNomNom
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@I ated Warpstone.

Easy, Khorne Cav. list. Best that daemon list could hope for is a draw against a skilled opponent, and the BT needs to play perfect to do it. as it's the only unit in that army that wouldn't get steam rolled.

honestly, daemon hating ,while justified in casual play if you find youself against a tourny designed list, is outdated now on the tourny scene, if only because everyone should know by now what to bring to beat them. The only thing hard to deal with now is the Obsidian BT.

Of course, if your non-tourny opponents happen to be jerks, I wouldn't be suprised. The inital impact of the army on the hobby (it takes a LOT of getting used to, even for non-tourny lists) got a lot of attention from the wrong kind of players.Not all daemon players are unsporting jerks, but the vast majority of unsporting jerks love demons.

In fact, I purposely never took my army to tournaments because I never wanted to be mistaken for those guys. I spent most of the time around tourny season last year playing my clubs tourny lists so they could see if they could take the cheese they could end up against.

@Nevamore

Oh yes, I too have a special hate for dragon princes....though it's been less powerful since I killed tyrion with units that technically couldn't wound him.

Personally, the only thing I ever hated about empire (it's hard to hate poeple who try so hard) is those damn pistoliers. Seriously, fast cav should not have that good of a ranged attack.

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Has to be without a doubt dark elves went up against them in the finals of a tourney guy had complete all shooty army with sorceress my poor poor stormvermin (skaven) :(
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For me my most hated army is high elves.

Yes deamons are very overpowerd and VC are impossible to beat (with me as a general with skaven) But from alot of my experinces ive been beaten severley with highelves :angry:
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I don't hate any army, but Dark Elves used to be a common opponent of mine. But my friend who played them only plays 40k now. Sigh... I am slowly loosing all my opponents to that game.
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