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Topic Started: 11th November 2009 - 09:20 PM (3,058 Views)
keltheos


What's the ruling on if I run a Verminlord but don't bring my Daemons of Chaos army book to cover the Daemonic instability rules? Can I 'forget' it at home so I don't have to use the rule in-game?

Seriously, if you're going to put a rule in a book that references a rule in another army book at least have the decency to repeat the rule. Save some precious art space and be professional.

Some of the questions are ridiculous, but at the same time point out how easy it is for someone new to the game to misinterpret seemingly innocuous turns of phrase. Like Warpstone Tokens. Veterans know they SHOULD be 1 use, but would it have killed GW to say it?

I know, I know, after playing since 2nd edition I should have made peace with all of this fol-de-rol...
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keltheos
Nov 13 2009, 12:23 AM
What's the ruling on if I run a Verminlord but don't bring my Daemons of Chaos army book to cover the Daemonic instability rules?

doesn't the VL need to have that rule set DI listed for it to effect him.

i mean DI doesnt appear to be listed, nor even hinted at
just things that "work against it" but it is written very vaguely
i think the idea was a more corporal version of a daemon
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Tenoshii
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Vermin Lord doesn't have Daemonic Instability. He takes break tests just like everyone else.
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ColdBlood666
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Do you guys not have the book?? Vermin lord does not suffer from instability. He counts as a daemon in the only respect that weapons, spells, items, abilities affect him as they affect daemons. Did you even actually think that they would make a army book specific reliant upon another army books rules?? that makes no sense whatsoever and is completely ridiculous that this question is even being discussed right now.
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is it just me or are some of these questions actually answered in the army book...

i.e is the bell / furnace a chariot or a mount.... p42 right under the stat line "the screaming bell is a special kind of mount"

erm so im guessing its a mount??

what is the unit strength of the bell?? p43 3rd paragraph down "count the model as the same number of models that would normally occupy that space2

erm so it 15 would fit in that space then im guessing its unit strength15??

i feel that some of these questions are well lame....

like the 20 tail weapons - yes he could have 20 tail weapons but since he only has one tail good luck using them all.

and the what strength are the doom flayers impact hits - well the same strength as the weapon..... if anyone tries to make me use the clan rats strength and they are using chariots then i will make them use the riders strength for the impact hits of their chariot
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bakfire the experimenter
Nov 13 2009, 06:32 AM

like the 20 tail weapons - yes he could have 20 tail weapons but since he only has one tail good luck using them all.

I dunno, I may make a multi-tailed moulder leader for that purpose (Obviously not 20 but maybe 2-3 tails)
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Surbrus
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Actually it'd only be 12 tail weapons... But as Blood Vixen said, multi tailed Molder lord. Or maybe its a Skryre lord with a bunch of crazy contraptions resulting in those 12 "tail" attacks. Or an Eshin lord showing off his Dragon Ball Z moves (oh wow, conversion want :P), and for Pestilens it is purely their devoted fervor that is leading to their quick attacks.

There are plenty of reasons you can argue for this fluffwise, and plenty of conversion opportunities. It is up to GW to to clear what their rules mean. Unfortunately they did a unprofessional job at writing the rules section of this book. They better clear up the mess of rules, we all did pay C$35 (or equivalent) for this book, why should we accept something that would get a failing grade if passed in as a school assignment?
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bakfire the experimenter
Nov 13 2009, 06:32 AM
is it just me or are some of these questions actually answered in the army book...

i.e is the bell / furnace a chariot or a mount.... p42 right under the stat line "the screaming bell is a special kind of mount"

erm so im guessing its a mount??

what is the unit strength of the bell?? p43 3rd paragraph down "count the model as the same number of models that would normally occupy that space2

erm so it 15 would fit in that space then im guessing its unit strength15??


I dont disagree with you at all on the US of the bell and actually thought along those lines as well til i thought about how powerful it would be to have a US 15 mount.

Of course you would have to add in the riders US of 1 for the GS ((you cant include the 3 for the RO as its included in the profile already (I hope)) for a total of 16 US but considering it is a special mount and really falls between the rules for monstrous mounts and "regular" mounts I would tend to think GW might come back with an answer that its US is like a monstrous mount thus it would be US 6.

Which opens up even more debate about why would a model that takes up 15 spots in a unit (effectively US 15 for skaven) only be US 6? Besides the effects and special rules wouldn't it be more effective to just bring the 15 models and not cut my US short?

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Nov 13 2009, 10:37 AM
Or an Eshin lord showing off his Dragon Ball Z moves (oh wow, conversion want :P)

Lol, Super saiyan warlord on Bonebreaker would be funny to see.

Anyways there are alot of stupid questions here that just require common sense but I guess its not to common then.
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Rakashani
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Just a reminder.

Everyone has a different idea of what is common sense (and there's a thread at ETC discussing that as well). It kinda boils down to "In a survey of ten people, I have a fiver says that you get at least 3 different answers about what is common sense to most questions on the FAQ". (Anyone remember the hullabaloo about "Can you cast IoN into combat?")

Take the mount question... Ok, so it's a monstrous mount... Then why does it discuss what it does when charging a building since that is not an option for a monstrous mount? And the whole mess about how a Doomwheel moves? Ick.

I love the fluff and feel of the rules but the actual writing of the rules themselves are crap.
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I love the fluff and feel of the rules but the actual writing of the rules themselves are crap.

And yet we still manage to play countless of games of Warhammer every year without problems.

As with the previous FAQ lists this one is full of questions players are perfectly capable of working out for themselves. I'm sure when it comes to it the important ones will be answered, but in such a way as to sow even more confusion than if you had left well alone :wacko:

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reddogfish77
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common sense says the bell is unit strength 6 not 15... it displaces 15 models and so so you count it towards 15 models in how they rank... you do realise it causes fear... a unit strength 15 thing that is unbreakable and causes fear would be broken.
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reddogfish77
Nov 13 2009, 11:46 PM
common sense says the bell is unit strength 6 not 15... it displaces 15 models and so so you count it towards 15 models in how they rank... you do realise it causes fear... a unit strength 15 thing that is unbreakable and causes fear would be broken.

my point exactly.

Also it's not a monstrous mount or a regular mount. It falls into the gray area between both of them and as such it is a "special" mount.
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I was really hoping they'd ask my question about the PCB's having both Skirmish and SiN :(

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The Shredder got a 3+ armor save cause of his special rules against attacks in the front but he also wears heavy armor as you can read in the part with the point costs... Which means he got a 1+ armor save?

Going back to that one I'd say it's just as written under the Best Defense ruling; the team is behind it and has the %= AS while the big bulk of blades offers up an additional +2 save from the front ;)

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Things like Poison Wind Globadiers and Gutter runners have the
"Up to half of the XXX units in the army (rounded up) can have an attached team."

This seems clear for 2 units (1), 3 units (2) and 4 units (2). But what about a single unit? Is it 0.5 rounded to 1 or the fact that half assumes you must have >1 ???

It says under the parent unit description to round up ^_^
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Nov 14 2009, 02:31 AM
I was really hoping they'd ask my question about the PCB's having both Skirmish and SiN :(

I believe Censers have SiN because they can use the ranks of nearby Monk units, not because they can have ranks of their own.
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