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| Tweet Topic Started: 11th November 2009 - 07:24 AM (536 Views) | ||
| chieftainskritchskritch | 11th November 2009 - 07:24 AM Post #1 | |
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Greetings all, Well, ive been having a few heated discussions on several other boards over the past few days, relating to the use of the Storm Banner and its supposed multi-use. So, now that im back onto the definitive Skaven site, I need to know: whats the UnderEmpire's take on the Storm Banner. Is it multi-use? Its is broken as hell? Is it a typ? How will you be playing it? Do you believe GW will erreta it to be one way or the other? Hopefully we can get this out in the open, and I can use this thread to refer others to if we reach a general agreement (with backed-up examples, of course). Discuss!!! |
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| You kids these days have it so easy, what with your Plague Furnaces and your Hellpit Abominations and your Bonebreaker Warlords. Back in MY day, all we had was Slaves and Clanrats!...and auto-hit Ratling Guns...and skirmishing Jezzails...and 2D6 Warp Lightning...and Lead From The Back...wait, what was my arguement again? | ||
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| Kariko83 | 11th November 2009 - 07:28 AM Post #2 | |
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i truly belive that it is supposed to be one use as it is in the german version i believe but until it is FAQed I will be playing it as RAW. The reason some think it is broken this way though is some are playing it as if you can activate it on the turn it runs out which you can't as the activation and roll for burn out are done at the same time. Yes it is Vicious as it shuts down shooting pretty well but it is still no ring of Hotek and still twice the cost. | |
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| FatherSquee | 11th November 2009 - 07:31 AM Post #3 | |
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Yeah it doesn't come right out and say it but I'm still getting the impression that it's a one time use thing, and I'm sure that's what GW intended as we well. Hell it's cheaper by 25 pts. and chances are it'll last a lot longer than the old one in most cases what more do people want? | |
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| chieftainskritchskritch | 11th November 2009 - 07:38 AM Post #4 | |
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And this is why its an interesting topic. It just isnt clear. My view on it, though, is that the banner may have been intended FOR multi use. The fact that it screws up shooting on both sides and that it runs out on a 4+ means that it has a chance of messing up the skaven player almost as much as their opponent. You need the banner to shut down in your own turn, or else screw up your shooting phase. I think the problem with it comes down to playtesting. I think GW may have intended this for multi-use, but didnt factor in that units who can take this banner can gain access to the Unbreakable rule (either through a bell or furnace). As a result, it makes it MUCH harder for the enemy to target and destroy the banner bearing unit. MUTATE: Also, if the Storm Banner goes to one-use-only, then that will mean that we have 3 one-use-only banners in our army list! I think thats a bit unfair, considering that almost every other army only has 1. Plus that would take our overall one-use-only items up to.....what? 5? 6? |
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| You kids these days have it so easy, what with your Plague Furnaces and your Hellpit Abominations and your Bonebreaker Warlords. Back in MY day, all we had was Slaves and Clanrats!...and auto-hit Ratling Guns...and skirmishing Jezzails...and 2D6 Warp Lightning...and Lead From The Back...wait, what was my arguement again? | ||
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| Rakashani | 11th November 2009 - 08:40 AM Post #5 | |
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I dunno what your feeling is toward Direwolf (the guys who generally help assemble the FAQ questions which get submitted to GW). They work off The Warhammer Forum (warhammer.org.uk) and have been working on the list of questions for the Skaven book already. They reported this morning (Tuesday) that GW has already confirmed the One Use Only for the Storm Banner. Dunno whether or not you guys want to take that into consideration but in my experience over the last couple of year playing they're very reliable for what actually shows up in the GW FAQs. |
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| bakfire the experimenter | 11th November 2009 - 08:51 AM Post #6 | |
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this was one of the items i was unsure of...... yes its cheaper but it also has a 50 / 50 chance of running out now. If i do use it before its FAQ'd and if i did use it as a multiple use item which i'm not sure if i would, i certainly wouldn't activate it on the turn it ran out as that is sooooooooo wrong | |
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| Kariko83 | 11th November 2009 - 09:12 AM Post #7 | |
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BTW we have 13 one use only items, including the storm banner, if you dont count common items like scrolls,with them we have 15. | |
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| slips | 11th November 2009 - 02:13 PM Post #8 | |
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I think once you factor in howling warpgale a multi-use stormbanner would be a little bit overpowered -3 to shooting + no flying. Also it would account for the increased failure rate of the banner. Of course the lack of bound items + the large amount of one use only, leaves me wishing for more in the magic items lists. |
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| warlord warptail | 11th November 2009 - 03:35 PM Post #9 | |
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I will be a bit disappointed if it does turn out to be one use. I understand that its a very nasty flag against gun lines and flying circuses but it also runs out very easily and has no real effect on armies with little or no shooting or flyers. It is also a negative to our own shooting and can kind of backfire when it stays on in our turn and goes off in theirs. | |
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| Mouse Trap | 11th November 2009 - 08:07 PM Post #10 | |
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at present for the sake of fairness to my opponent ive used as a one use only. | |
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| Aldaris | 11th November 2009 - 10:51 PM Post #11 | |
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So will I. When I read the first descriptions I wasn't decided on how I'd play it, but having read the actual rules I lean towards the "one use" thing. It's still good, but not insanely so. | |
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| chieftainskritchskritch | 11th November 2009 - 11:57 PM Post #12 | |
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Well, that makes me sad, primarily because (as Kariko said) we already have 13 one-use-only items in our magic items list. What the hell is up with that!? Almost half of our magic inventory can only be used once!? Talk about weak! Goodbye storm banner wielding Clan Moulder army. I hardly knew ye. |
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| You kids these days have it so easy, what with your Plague Furnaces and your Hellpit Abominations and your Bonebreaker Warlords. Back in MY day, all we had was Slaves and Clanrats!...and auto-hit Ratling Guns...and skirmishing Jezzails...and 2D6 Warp Lightning...and Lead From The Back...wait, what was my arguement again? | ||
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| Orangecoke | 12th November 2009 - 01:53 AM Post #13 | |
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yeah my impression from reading it was one use only. I'll be playing it that way. | |
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| SkavenDan | 12th November 2009 - 02:01 AM Post #14 | |
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In the 6th Ed book it was one use. now affects are not as bad but the price drop balances that out. 7th Ed in other countries say one use online.... I know England is the GW Motherland, but they seem to treat other countries better for instance a great deal of people in other countries had access to the book before people in England is what I am lead to believe I also wouldn't be surprised if they got the "improved edition" for translation. |
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| Random | 12th November 2009 - 01:02 PM Post #15 | |
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Yep, Spanish version also states 'One use only.' (in spanish, of course) | |
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