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PCB's; The omniskaven!
Topic Started: 10th November 2009 - 03:23 AM (473 Views)
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Was just looking at the new book and PCB's have both Strength in Numbers and Skrimish!
How does that work if Skirmishers don't get a rank bonus? Unless I'm missing something here :unsure:
Does it tie into them taking the leadership of the Monks?

Just imagine fielding 20 Bearers in skirmishing units that gain the benefit of Hatred, Frenzy and Stubborn (through the furnace) Dev
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if you read their entry it tells you, you can add the rank bonus of any monks within 6" and are stubborn withon 12" of furnace... they are both in the same part of diciples...
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but even still you wouldn't need Strength in Numbers to actually appear in their Special Rules then eh? All you'd need to convey that message is the Plague Disciples rule
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If you have ten PCBs in a unit they could rank up 2*5 against some foes. That's one rank. Pretty rare, though.
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If you have ten PCBs in a unit they could rank up 2*5 against some foes. That's one rank. Pretty rare, though.

Rulebook pg. 67: "Skirmishers receive no combat bonus for the number for ranks in their unit"

Even with 10 PCB's in combat you'd not get the +1 rank bonus for combat resolution.

However, I'm not so sure about leaderhip bonuses when in combat, if while they have the rank in counts.

I suspect they put the rule their so that the disciple rule would make sense but I'm not certain...
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it's probably just in there for completeness' sake as it'd be odd having a Skaven unit without the rule in the same way that Ogre Hunters have the bullrush rule even though they can never use it.
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i think it was easier for the gw to just have it in every entry rather than take it out for the odd few
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i think they just did some blanket things in the book. any unit that has the chance of fleeing has scurry away(even the verminlord!), and any unit has SiN.
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its obviously because of the plague monks when they are within 6".

Besides the strength in numbers states that its the current rank bonus which skirmishers don't get.So it wouldn't matter ow big the unit of PCB's.
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The reason they have strength in numbers is so they can use the rank bonus to modify there leadership. The way I read it is that disciples allows you to take the rank bonus so you can modify your leadership while SiN is what allows you to apply that bonus to you Leadership.
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Do you think, that every time a Plague Monk pees, he takes a S2 hit?
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Or it's a missprint, because jezzails are "rank and files" now (no longuer skirmisher) but lack this rule :)
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i think it was easier for the gw to just have it in every entry rather than take it out for he odd few

But it isn't on every entry, no other Skirmisher unit has Strength in Numbers.

And the Disciples rule doesn't allow them to suddenly come up with a rank bonus either (if I understand Kariko's post that is); the rank bonus they gain for leadership boosting from Plague Disciples is the one created from the Monks ranks, not the PCB's.

It's seeming more and more like a mistake (that was printed twice in the book), which is too bad as I'd love to see the look on my opponent's face when I field 4 units of 25 Censer Bearers :P
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Does the plague disciple rule give any bonus to PCBs' combat resolution?
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Nope, it just gives you a Monk unit's leaderhip bonus or stubborn depending on how close they are to their buddies.

Looking back at SiN it says all Skaven get it, so so technically all skirmishers would get the rule (even if it's useless to them) so it seems like it is just a typo on GW's part.
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