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warlord armor save?; not really sure where to post this but..
Topic Started: 9th November 2009 - 10:02 PM (691 Views)
SkavenDan
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Nov 10 2009, 05:38 PM
That is not what the faq says. It tells you that magic weapon lose the hand weapon rule without exception. When something says lance/spear it means you get the special bonuses of those weapons as well as the magical bonus, or that it counts as a lance or spear. In effect all other weapons count as hand weapons in that they convey no other bonuses other than those in the description of the weapon.

The only weapon that can benefit for the hand weapon and shield is a mundance hand weapon. The only circumstance I can think of if there is a specific situation where the magical weapn loses its magical abilities from a special character's special rule, or by the effect of a magic item, then if it counts as a mundane weapon of the same type, it will get this rule.

I think that about accurately covers it.
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Rakashani
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Does this mean that you guys don't allow the DE Whip of Agony (which explicitly has the Hand Weapon rule in addition to it's magic properties) to get the shield bonus?

Or that the Hydra Beastmasters only get 2 attacks instead of 3 since they don't have additional hand weapons?

The DE FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2250130_DarkElves_FAQ_Jan09) is quite explicit as are the rules for magic items on pg. 121. Although there are few of them, a magic weapon which has the Hand Weapon special rule explicitly in its description gets the bonuses of a Hand Weapon (such as Hand Weapon and Shield) just like a weapon with the Lance rule gets a bonus on the charge when used by a mounted character.

Mutate: For what it is worth, there are no such weapons in the new Skaven book so it will only come up when facing an opponent like a DE who took the Whip of Agony...
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Q. Does a character benefit from the "Fighting with hand
weapon and shield (infantry)" rule found on page 56, if
armed with a mundane hand weapon and a magical
shield?
A. Yes. However it will not if armed with a magical
weapon and a mundane or magical shield, because the
magical weapon loses the normal rules of hand weapons.


THIS about covers it, no you would not get parry bonus with whip of agony unless it actually specifically says you will.
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Warp Armor (4+), Enchanted Shield (2+), War Litter (1+), Mundane Hand Weapon will get you to 0+ to the front in combat.

(Preemptive: Mundane Handweapon + Magic Shield combos are covered in the general FAQ on the GW website)

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CapAmr05
Nov 10 2009, 11:14 PM
Warp Armor (4+), Enchanted Shield (2+), War Litter (1+), Mundane Hand Weapon will get you to 0+ to the front in combat.

(Preemptive: Mundane Handweapon + Magic Shield combos are covered in the general FAQ on the GW website)

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Can't take two magic armor items on a single character. Also, once you put the character on a mount he loses the parry bonus.

About the Whip of Agony, it is definitely a magic weapon which is ALSO a Hand Weapon, so it would give you a parry bonus if you took a shield.
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Forgot about the mount/ parry part (having never had a Warlord mounted on anything, even back in fifth edition).

I thought the shield combo was legit though.

Oh well, nm.

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