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warlord armor save?; not really sure where to post this but..
Topic Started: 9th November 2009 - 10:02 PM (690 Views)
johnnyrat
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does this sound right for an extremely defensive warlord? looking at the new book i think i like using a warlord instead of a grey seer. but i want to make sure this is right first. i havent looked at the points for it yet.

warlord- warpstone armor (4+), shield (3+), magic weapon of some kind (2+),
mounted (1+), foul pendant (5+ ward)

just checking to see if the logic is right and if its legal.
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johnnyrat
Nov 9 2009, 05:02 PM
does this sound right for an extremely defensive warlord? looking at the new book i think i like using a warlord instead of a grey seer. but i want to make sure this is right first. i havent looked at the points for it yet.

warlord- warpstone armor (4+), shield (3+), magic weapon of some kind (2+),
mounted (1+), foul pendant (5+ ward)

just checking to see if the logic is right and if its legal.

Magic weapons do not grant you +1 to armour saves with a shield, only mundane hand weapons grant you this.
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Also, mounted models cannot get the shield parry bonus, so if you go mounted even with a mundane weapon it's a 2+.
Still, a 2+ Armor Save, 5+ Ward Save character isn't liable to to go down easy.
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Bear in mind that you get the same save with just heavy armour, Enchanted Shield and a hand weapon, for a fraction of the cost.
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Nov 9 2009, 05:16 PM
Bear in mind that you get the same save with just heavy armour, Enchanted Shield and a hand weapon, for a fraction of the cost.

but also a fraction of the potency falls off. :KA-BOOM:
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Rakashani
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Well, look at it this way.

Heavy Armor and Enchanted Shield is the same as Warpstone Armor and Shield and you can still give him a mount, talisman and weapon.

It allows you the option of Warpstone Armor elsewhere (although the same argument can be made for the Enchanted Shield).

In the end it probably depends on what you are doing with the other points for your Warlord and anyone else who would be trying to take the same items...
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reddogfish77
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the best you can get would be warpstone armour 4+ shield 3+ hand weapon 2+ if you took enchanted shield the best that you could get would be 3+ unless he was mounted...
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reddogfish77
Nov 9 2009, 09:37 PM
the best you can get would be warpstone armour 4+ shield 3+ hand weapon 2+ if you took enchanted shield the best that you could get would be 3+ unless he was mounted...

Magic shields get the +1 to Armor save when used with a handweapon just like mundane ones. So Warpstone armor, shield and handweapon is the same as Heavy armor, Enchanted Shield and handweapon.
With either example you could add a warlitter or giant pox rat and still have a 2+ while also allowing a magic weapon. The mount has the slight benefit of giving you that save against both shooting and CC attacks.
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reddogfish77
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i dont think so... though i dont have the BRB with me... can anyone confirm if you get the hand weapon shield bonus when not using a mundane shield
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Rakashani
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I can confirm it. Any shield with a hand weapon or a magic weapon that has the hand weapon rule.

GW 2008 FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470856_Warhammer_FAQ_2008-02_Edition.pdf) pg. 5, left side, mid-column.
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Tenoshii
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If I use a Warlord he'll be going Heavy Armour, WEW, Ench. Shield, War-Litter and Warp Pendant.

2+ armour, 5+ ward, 5 S5 attacks and 4 S4 attacks from the mount. Enough to hold his own against all but the killiest characters and will butcher rank and file with no problem.
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Rakashani
Nov 9 2009, 11:45 PM
I can confirm it. Any shield with a hand weapon or a magic weapon that has the hand weapon rule.

GW 2008 FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470856_Warhammer_FAQ_2008-02_Edition.pdf) pg. 5, left side, mid-column.

Please, re-read, you loose the bonus if you use a magical weapon with a mudane/magical shield.
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Rakashani
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Please to read what I said.

Magic Weapon with the Hand Weapon rule. There are a very small number of magic weapons which actually have a rule Hand Weapon in their description, just like some have Lance or Spear. Those (and only those) provide the Hand Weapon and Shield bonus.
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That is not what the faq says. It tells you that magic weapon lose the hand weapon rule without exception. When something says lance/spear it means you get the special bonuses of those weapons as well as the magical bonus, or that it counts as a lance or spear. In effect all other weapons count as hand weapons in that they convey no other bonuses other than those in the description of the weapon.

The only weapon that can benefit for the hand weapon and shield is a mundance hand weapon. The only circumstance I can think of if there is a specific situation where the magical weapn loses its magical abilities from a special character's special rule, or by the effect of a magic item, then if it counts as a mundane weapon of the same type, it will get this rule.
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