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Topic Started: 7th November 2009 - 09:44 PM (1,894 Views)
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It does say in that mess of fluff/rules that the Warpstone tokens are "eaten" and "consumed". That item description is similar to the World's Edge Armour, that armour also does not say "one use only"... however, once it prevents its wound it is "destroyed". The Stormbanner on the other hand says nothing about being consumed, destroyed or even eaten :P It just says that it can be activated at the beginning of any turn, and that its effects end on a certain d6 role at the beginning of each turn :/

I think we are all in agreement that GW did a bad job editing.
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Maybe if GW got their lawyers to proofread their rules instead of using them to attack forums, we'd have better rulebooks. :P
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"A THINNISH, WATERY PAINT WITH A GREENER TINGE THAN AGRAX EARTHSHADE!!"
"WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?"
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Nov 8 2009, 03:58 PM
I don't know, but that just sound like a serious misprint in the english version to me...
SO you guys play it anyway you want, but even if I have an english copy of the rulebook, I'm not gonna be the kind of cheesy player who abuse a misprint until GW wakes up and produce an errata... If you feel you need to abuse the rules to win with the new book, perhaps you should try reviewing your general tactics first...

I don't know, but that just sound like a serious misprint in the translated versions to me...
SO you guys play it anyway you want, but even if I have a translated copy of the rulebook, my opponents are not gonna be the kind of cheesy players who abuse a misprint until GW wakes up and produce an errata... If your opponents feel they need to abuse the rules to win against the new book, perhaps they should try reviewing their general tactics first...

:rolleyes:

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well when VC players play by the rules it seems like they are cheating... lol.
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Nov 8 2009, 02:01 PM
Ok lads, give it a rest.


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I think you should all lissen to this guy since hes a Boss man!

At the end of the day despite whats said people on this forum who do not want to lissen will not lissen to sense frankly I think about now would be a good time to lock this topic.
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Well, we're going to have to wait for an errata on this one anyway, either the english final draft or the draft that went to the translators had a typo in it, unfortunately we don't know which one. This is not a case of vague or badly worded rules, which we can argue about, this one's a blatant oversight, but we don't know what the oversight is.
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"WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?"
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Nov 8 2009, 06:07 PM
Well, we're going to have to wait for an errata on this one anyway, either the english final draft or the draft that went to the translators had a typo in it, unfortunately we don't know which one. This is not a case of vague or badly worded rules, which we can argue about, this one's a blatant oversight, but we don't know what the oversight is.

Yep, that pretty much covers it.

I'd like to have an answer either way. I doubt I'll use the Storm Banner that often anyway but not fielding it because I know it will cause an argument would kinda suck.
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Fielding it would not cause an argument... It's when you re-start the thing that your opponent may have a cow and call the item broken... :P

I'm still gonna use it, but I'm not ganna use it twice, that's all ;)
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I didn't really want to respond until all the near warpfire flamings died down.
I have played Warhammer since 3rd edition was in it's infancy and the game was as complex as it could possibly be.
I've played through 4th, 5th, 6th and now 7th edition and the one thing that I have come to hold absolute with GW and their products as of late (5th edition on) is that they could give a rats behind about product quality.
They are in it for the MONEY.
Im not saying its a bad game but when push comes to shove and its dollars vs playtesting the dollar is gonna win every time.
I have had friends who have worked for GW US and have told me some stories about some of the decisions that have come out of GW UK that affect the whole company.
Like for instance, army books that are still being playtested but since the publisher needs it by this date so the company can release it on this date so the sales can be put under this quarters financial statements so business looks good the company sends the printers the book in its completely unplaytested form and says tough luck.
Or the fact that the US cash cow that was Necromunda was canceled by the big wigs in UK because it flopped elsewhere.
We can agrue back and forth about what was INTENDED to be written but until it is clarified with errata or a reprint the best thing we can go on is what IS written. Like it or not the game operates on RAW.
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For what its worth, I believe that the storm banner was intended to be played this way. It has to test to run out on EVERY turn (making it completely random and unreliable - sounds skaveny, eh?) and it affects the shooting of both armies. It can either work really, really well for you, or work really, really badly (just imagine moving a rat-ogre unit into the firing arc of a hilltop firebase and then the Storm Banner runs out. Much tears from the rat player :( ).
You kids these days have it so easy, what with your Plague Furnaces and your Hellpit Abominations and your Bonebreaker Warlords. Back in MY day, all we had was Slaves and Clanrats!...and auto-hit Ratling Guns...and skirmishing Jezzails...and 2D6 Warp Lightning...and Lead From The Back...wait, what was my arguement again?
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Yobtar
Nov 9 2009, 02:14 AM
We can agrue back and forth about what was INTENDED to be written but until it is clarified with errata or a reprint the best thing we can go on is what IS written. Like it or not the game operates on RAW.

The teeny problem here is that it IS written in both ways depending on whether you have the english version or the translated version :lol: . So we're going to be getting arguments all over the world along these lines: "Boot eet iz written!" "no it's not, old chap!" "Ja, it is!" "Nah it ain't!"

RAW, lost in translation. At least GW didn't use babelfish...
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"WHAT DO WE WANT!!??"
"A THINNISH, WATERY PAINT WITH A GREENER TINGE THAN AGRAX EARTHSHADE!!"
"WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?"
"QUITE SOON PLEASE AS MY LAST POT IS RUNNING OUT!"
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Nov 9 2009, 07:34 AM
Yobtar
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We can agrue back and forth about what was INTENDED to be written but until it is clarified with errata or a reprint the best thing we can go on is what IS written. Like it or not the game operates on RAW.

The teeny problem here is that it IS written in both ways depending on whether you have the english version or the translated version :lol: . So we're going to be getting arguments all over the world along these lines: "Boot eet iz written!" "no it's not, old chap!" "Ja, it is!" "Nah it ain't!"

RAW, lost in translation. At least GW didn't use babelfish...

I very much agree with what you have said but the game and the rules are written in english first then translated.
The original first writing of the rules should overrule any translations just for the simple fact that stuff does get lost (or in this case created) in translation.
Man we the fact we need errata on this book already is disheartening.
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It is only because of this great forum that I have heard of the difference in the rules in different languages. And if I had only just bought skaven as the new army and hadn't owned the 6th ed book I wouldn't have known that the item used to be one use only and wouldn't have suspected anything. If that had been the case then maybe I would take it and use it as I believe it to be written. This could cause some serious moaning from an opponent who could either believe that I was a 'cheesy' player or that the new army list is broken. Now these are fairly extreme views, but such views can be formed after a bad loss to an opponent, especially if you're feeling hard done by.

My fears are that new players might be called cheap and cheesy and have no idea why, and that the new list will be quickly branded as broken. Already there are some that are saying our plague furnaces are over-powered, and little problems like this won't help the "public opinion" of other players. My hope is that Skaven will lose the stigma of being a cheesy race and be accepted as a competitive but fair army.

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In the Spanish Skaven Army Book, the storbanner is one use only. So i think thtat is a misprint of the english vesion.

We must wait to GW faq, so...

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