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Topic Started: 7th November 2009 - 09:44 PM (1,895 Views)
Blood Vixen
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And if you can keep the martian and other such unnecessary comparisions to a minimum, that'd be appreciated.

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Comparisons are your friend in life, it allows you a basis to understand different things by relating them to something you are more acustom too. Especially so with warhammer because you need to compare the main rulebook to your respective army books and then your army book to others. So I don't see why comparisons are wrong in this thread.
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carcharoth
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While i think it stands a good chance of being FAQ'd, i hope it isn't. DE got their ring of hotek, lizzies got their blade of realities, can't we keep our one cheesy item?
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Actually usefull and if possible Warhammer-related comparisions, for example with previous cases of rules differing from country to country, are of course appreciated. ;)
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Rats&Goblins gets an e-high five. Good work mate.

I'll stick by RAW until GW gets off their arses and FAQs it. It seems pretty clear, re-usable as described before, but people will look for any loophole to give them an advantage over their Skaven opponents -_-
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Good for you. I think it's only fair we have a severely overpowered item, that's what the game needs.

Especially as we all know that is not how the item is supposed to work.

I hope GW FAQ it asap and acknowledge that unfortunately, if you don't write every single word with perfect precision, then the rules lawyers will exploit to their heart's content.

I am now withdrawing from this thread, with a deep sigh and head shaking.
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Nov 8 2009, 11:52 AM
I hope GW FAQ it asap and acknowledge that unfortunately, if you don't write every single word with perfect precision, then the rules lawyers will exploit to their heart's content.

I am now withdrawing from this thread, with a deep sigh and head shaking.

You do realize that you're the one looking for a loophole, right? We're going by exactly what the book says, if you're channeling the author or figured out some kind of secret code with your "self-righteous club" decoder ring, please share.
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Ok lads, give it a rest.


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Stinkhair
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Things are one use only if they say 'one use only'.


The stormbanner does not say one use only.

Therefore, it is reuseable.

Unless it is errata'd, this is how the rule works. I don't trust GW to produce decent books, but I do trust that they'd be capable of adding the 'one use' rule to the items they meant to give it to.



The wording of the activation and burning out is poor and vauge. I would interpret it as a single event that is either activation or testing for burning out - if it burns out, you can't instantly reactivate it again. ;)
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drrat
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Guys I am going to bow out of this thread for the purposes of harmony!

But if it really worked as you describe, it would be worth at least 150pts!

We will wait for the FAQ and if GW keep it as it is, then I will gracefully admit I was wrong, and mourn the unbelievable costing of this item!

Let's wait and see, let the gaming continue....

And can someone please give their opinion my army list in the army list forum please!

Nothing more from me on this matter....
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Warlock Rageaganish
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Just putting some light in the debate:

At my local store, I just consulted 3 copies of the new armybook in 3 different language:

An english copy, a french copy, and an italian copy, ordered online by a canadian-italian player. I also read earlier about the German version as well...

Well folks, it comes out this way:
All versions beside the english one have the equivalent of "One use only" as the FIRST WORDS OF THE ITEM DESCRIPTION.

I don't know, but that just sound like a serious misprint in the english version to me...
SO you guys play it anyway you want, but even if I have an english copy of the rulebook, I'm not gonna be the kind of cheesy player who abuse a misprint until GW wakes up and produce an errata... If you feel you need to abuse the rules to win with the new book, perhaps you should try reviewing your general tactics first...
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reddogfish77
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you have to ask yourself one question... if there was not a different wording in other languages would we be having this discussion... sure it dropped in price but its ability lessened...

take the screaming bell... in the old rules it was ItP... thats ok.... not great its ringing abilities were cool but not fantastic... in this edition... it has given the grey seer a ward save increased in size therefore making a unit pushing it more effective its abilities have become better and its UNBREAKABLE....... what other units in the game are unbreakable... spawns... oh yeah. lol... nothing from brettonia... dark elves can have something unbreakable if you give them a special character or item i think... dwarfs have slayers which are pin cusioned but every shooting unit in the game... empire have a steamtank... HE have nothing unbreakable... lizardmen only if you take kroak... ogres none... O&G none that i know of.... TK none.... VC none... WE none....

so something from the previous book which already made a lot of appearences in my army lists has improved drastically for the mage on top, has increased in value for its model replacement, improved its abilities, and has provided just about the most valuable assert a unit can have, apart from ASF 2+ ward save and causes terror... lol.

i am not sure why the english one says different. maybe the translators didnt play skaven and didnt like the idea of the stormbanner. maybe they relied on previous edition for some of the translation... seems probable. i dont know i dont particularly care... funny thing is i will prob only use the banner once at most twice in a game... i will wait until the flyer thinks he is safe to run in behind me and wander around, then when i turn he flies away... oh wait i cant fly anymore.... thats right.

like almost every other magic item... its use is generally drops in effectiveness after you have used it... look at the bands of power, do yoiu think i ever got it to work a 2nd time in a game... :unsure:
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@ Rage : Now, frankly, that's bizarre. :blink:

So Gw's incompetence is even more thorough than I'd ever imagined.


How are players supposed to play by rules that GW don't even remember to write in the book? :huh:


Good-spirited gamers probably now have a very good reason not to use their stormbanners repeatedly.

But I don't see how you could convince another skaven player of that, without a foreign armybook on hand... :rolleyes: The english book gives no indication of it being one use only.


And I'm immune to any cries of wanting to powergame.. I think I'll be playing 6th Edition Skaven for another seven years.... ;)
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Wandered the Wastelands - the East and the West,
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Rakashani
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So just to confirm then... I can add 1-3 dice to *every* casting attempt I make with my Grey Seer if I am willing to risk the wounds? Since Warpstone Tokens are not One Use Only....
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Blood Vixen
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If your going as RAW then yes you could use as many tokens as you wished, but I am pretty sure that is not the case.
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reddogfish77
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it says a token is consumed... meaning it does not exist any more... at least not as a green solid thing... lol...
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