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| Tweet Topic Started: 28th September 2009 - 04:45 PM (1,173 Views) | |
| Raven123 | 28th September 2009 - 04:45 PM Post #1 |
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Hi Guys, Some friends and I have decided to start with Warhammer. Many years ago I already played Warhammer (Skaven too but in 3rd Edition I think). Today I read a little in the new AB and in some forums. We decided to start with 500 point armies. I would like to play some kind of SAD or something like that. But I'm note quite sure if this is possible with only 500 points. In future we will definitely increase the armies, but we don't want to spend so much money at first. I also read that there will be a new AB in November. Is that true ? If yes could it be better to wait for that ? I would be very grateful for every answer / tip. |
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| blader4411 | 28th September 2009 - 04:47 PM Post #2 |
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Firstly, welcome to the tunnels! ![]() Now, onto the army, it is indeed confirmed (and has been for quite some time) that Skaven are coming out in November, just one short month away, so I would wait until you have the new book before buying any Skaven models. Hope this helps, -Killfang |
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| Quarrel | 28th September 2009 - 05:13 PM Post #3 |
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It's always good to have another follower for Clan Skyre here. As was confirmed above, the Skaven are indeed recieving an update in November, but I thought I'd confirm that, at least under the current book, you can certainly take a fairly SAD-esque Skaven force in 500 points, and I imagine not much will change there. I'll give some advice on composition, though this will likely change in a month, so take it as a rough guide at best. The strongest Skaven armies at that points level are based around a core of 2 units of Clanrats (Around 25 models strong, generally) and 2 units of Slaves (About 20 models strong), with a Chieftain to lead them. This eats up almost all of the available points however, so few Sad-esque toys can be added. Still, you can make it work by switching out the Chieftain for a Warlock (Which will leave you a little down on the side of Leadership, but give very strong magic for that points level.) Would something like this be close to what you are interested in? Warlock Engineer - Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, Warp Blades 24 Clanrats - Hand Weapons & Shields, Standard Bearer, Musician ^ Attatched Ratling Gun 25 Clanrats - Hand Weapons & Shields, Standard Bearer, Musician 20 Slaves - Hand Weapons 20 Slaves - Hand Weapons That comes in a touch under 500 - there are 15 points to spare, but only has two real Clan Skyre weapons in there. Still, the numbers - more than 90 figures at 500 points will generally have you outnumbering your enemy 2 or 3 for each of their models, which is Skaven's true advantage at that points level. This, of course, is both expensive and time consuming - the downside of having 2-3 times as many figures as your opponent is that these must all be bought, built and painted - a large Skaven army is not for the uncommitted, that is for certain. Alternatively (And this is a good choice if you balk at the thought of nearly 100 figures in only 500 points), you can take a more weapons heavy route, but this is riskier - relying on nothing misfiring and everything going to plan. Knocking out the second Clanrat unit and the second regiment of Slaves, for example, would let you include a small unit of Jezzail Teams and some Poison Wind Globadiers, and perhaps you could even throw in a small unit of Giant Rat Packs to make up your numbers a little and add some fast moving flankers to the mix. Don't pay too much heed to my advice, as it will probably be void in six weeks or so anyway, but things shouldn't change so much that an army wouldn't be planned along similar lines. Either way, I would probably hold off any purchases until then, if you can wait that long. |
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| pilgrim2715 | 28th September 2009 - 08:29 PM Post #4 |
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I agree with blader's suggestion to wait until November to purchase models. Quarrel's list is excellent and would be extremely effective. If you want to get started before November you could always purchase and paint a warlock engineer if you like the model. We may or may not get additional warlock models, but if you like the sculpt of the current versions there is no reason not to purchase one. |
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| Raven123 | 29th September 2009 - 08:22 AM Post #5 |
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Thank you for all the fast and good tips :). Quarrel I really like your list. Thats exactly what I had in mind. Are there some models which I can purchase before the new AB is released ? I think a Warlock, some Clanrates and Slaves and a Ratling Gun will be in an SAD list evem after the new AB is released, dont't they ? Or will GW release some new and cheaper Boxes of Slaves or Clanrats e.g. with the new AB so that it would really be better to wait ? |
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| Quarrel | 29th September 2009 - 10:07 AM Post #6 |
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The Clanrats will certainly be getting new figures with the new book - have a look here for a sample. At this point, it is a matter of personal preference. I myself can't wait for the new figures, and am holding off further purchases until they are available, but I know some prefer the current rats. If you like the current ones better, there's no reason you should not start painting Clanrats now, but if you like the others better, then you're going to be waiting a month or so more. As for Slaves, that is also a matter of preference - people vary wildly in what they use for Slaves. You can simply use Clanrats (New or old, dependent to match what you want to use as your Clanrats themselves) as your Slaves, picking the less armored torsos and generally equipping them less well (Certainly no shields, I have seen them armed with nothing but trimmed down spear shafts as 'pointed sticks' before being sent into battle). Another common option is the figures from the Battle for Skull Pass set - whether buying the set new or the figures second hand, this is a way to get a huge quantity of figures for very little price, and many like the idea of Goblin and Dwarf Slaves. An excellent looking, if slightly extravagent choice is the new Empire Flagellant kit - although this is expensive compared to the others, they are extremely easy to convert into a mob of bedraggled men, chained together. My personal favorite is Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblars - they come 24 to a box, at the same price as most 20 figure boxes, so save you a little price and can be used either as is - for Goblin captives - or be given spare Clanrat heads, which gives the image of wasted, half starved Skaven, their tails hacked off and fur shaved to mark them as Slaves. Ultimately, the choice of what to use as your Slaves is very important, based on how you want your army to be recieved, visually. This has been a long post for just that, but it's a decision I feel is worth talking about at length. As for things you can do at the moment - my personal recommendation would be to hold off on purchasing any regiments until the new figures come out, but it is really up to you - I've outlined some of the common choices for Slaves above, and your two real options for Clanrats, but what I've mentioned is nowhere near the limits for what can be done (For example, if you especially liked the robed Plague Monks more than either the new or old Clanrats, I'm sure you could easily enough convert some stunning Clanrats from those figures.) If you want something to spend your time on until November, I'll echo Pilgrim, and suggest that you pick up a Warlock Engineer if you like the sculpt of him, as they may be getting replaced when the new book comes out - and if a new one comes out that you like better, it is no big issue as you'll almost certainly be wanting a second Warlock as you expand your army anyway. |
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| Raven123 | 29th September 2009 - 01:01 PM Post #7 |
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Are there no special models for skaven slaves ? |
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| Quarrel | 29th September 2009 - 01:11 PM Post #8 |
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There are - but you don't want to go down that route - I believe they're direct order only from the Games Workshop website, and all metal figures. Unless you just struck an oil well, those are insane prices. The new Clanrat Box is rumored to have options to produce a Slave unit from it though, and I guess we will see what that amounts to as more images are leaked... |
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| outbreak | 29th September 2009 - 10:27 PM Post #9 |
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What i'm doing at the moment is painting gnobblars for slaves and just keeping an eye out for current models used. I wouldn't buy anything new at full price with the new sets comming, but if it's used and cheap enough i figure i can mix it in. |
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| Raven123 | 30th September 2009 - 10:29 AM Post #10 |
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I need some fast advice. Some of mine just called me and told that they have seen the Skaven Batallion (40 Clan Rats, 2 Rat Ogres and so on) for 50,- Euro. I think I have to buy that because its really cheap. What do you think ? |
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| rhonono | 30th September 2009 - 11:22 AM Post #11 |
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go for it even if you want to replace the clan rat by the new one the clan rat in the batallion will make good slave later. and 50€ is a discount of 37.5% |
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| Mosk | 30th September 2009 - 12:37 PM Post #12 |
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Yes go for it. I currently use the current clan rats for slaves, and the old advaned heroquest clan rats as my clan rats, and I will soon use both the heroquest and new clan rats for them. Also you could always convert your plague monks to PWG or some warlock engineers, see my army blog for more details. Also another thing you could do while you wait for the new army book is scratch build one or two WLC, unless you want to buy them, WLC will never be useless |
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| Raven123 | 26th October 2009 - 06:20 PM Post #13 |
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Do anyone know something about the new army book and the changes? Will SAD still be possible and good ? And is the list Quarrel had in mind still good ? Warlock Engineer - Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, Warp Blades 24 Clanrats - Hand Weapons & Shields, Standard Bearer, Musician ^ Attatched Ratling Gun 25 Clanrats - Hand Weapons & Shields, Standard Bearer, Musician 20 Slaves - Hand Weapons 20 Slaves - Hand Weapons My retailer want me to give my order to her until friday. But I'm not quite sure what I should order. Any advices ? |
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| Kariko83 | 26th October 2009 - 06:48 PM Post #14 |
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It is really close to being the same list as before but a few things have changed. Firstly if you dont know yet ratling guns now roll to hit and engineers can become lvl 2 but lost accumulator and condenser as mundane items. Anyways here is an adaption of that list to the new rules. 100pts lvl 2 Engineer 40pts 20 slaves 40pts 20 slaves 187.5pts 25 clanrats with command and a ratling gun 132.5 25 clanrats with command 500pts exactly Personallyi would drop the second unit of clan rats, as the mainstay rule is gone, and pick up a unit of giant rats. Tactically it is a good idea but is hard to get starting out as they are a bit annoying to get a usable amount as you will only get 6 in the ogre/giant rats box but you get them on the sprew of almost any other unit. Cheers |
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| Raven123 | 26th October 2009 - 07:17 PM Post #15 |
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What makes the giant rates better than clan rats and how many should be in the unit ? Are there any changes for them ? Obviously I only got the old AB
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