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Problems with the WLC: Miniatures that are hit
Topic Started: 11th May 2008 - 11:06 PM (573 Views)
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Clanrat
(The topic should say hit not hot, and dont know how to edit it xD)

Well I have a problem, and my interpretation is way different that the one one of my friends has. When the WLC fires, the hit line is the same as the one in the rulebook that refers to cannons? Becouse the WLC rules say "Determine which models are hit, the same way you would do for the bounce of a cannon ball, except that all models (friend of foe)lying along the entire lines lenght are hit"
My view is that is diferent, for it says that all models along the line are hit, so it would not follow the cannon charts(dont remember wich page was though)
Please help me(read with the tone of Aliens xD)

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Lord Lughtigern
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The Mad Ratter.

The WLC works as follows:

Pick a target, anywhere/anything on the board.
Roll the dice to see how far the blast is.
Roll the Artillery dice to determine the strength.

I don't really understand what is the problem with the chart concerning who is hit or not. Anything caught under the line is hit, and suffers a wound (good rolling permitted). Because it is a weapon that draws a line however, opponents still get "look out sir" rolls, in the same way as they do from cannon shots.

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I don't have the book with me atm, so i'm not sure which chart you're referring to. I think the general system peeps use is that everything along the line is hit, subject to the one model per rank/file rule, if that's what the issue is.
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Clanrat
yeah thats what I say, but he claims that uses the same chart as the one found in the WRB(my book is lost in the warp so canīt bring out the page)
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Lord Lughtigern
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The Mad Ratter.

AH!

If you're referring to the chart where you can only hit one model per rank as per cannons normally firing, then your opponent is correct. As the line is assumed to be infinitely thin, you can only ever hit one model per rank, not however many you can manage to get under your measuring tool.
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scrivener
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Which chart? Is it a misfire chart? Could you tell us which rules your opponent is trying to apply?

Ultimately, though, the WLC has its own rules for just about everything, the regular cannon rules don't all apply to it, only that you use the same sort of method of measuring the line of fire and hitting as you would for cannon bounce.
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Clanrat
Lord Lughtigern
May 11 2008, 06:47 PM
AH!

If you're referring to the chart where you can only hit one model per rank as per cannons normally firing, then your opponent is correct. As the line is assumed to be infinitely thin, you can only ever hit one model per rank, not however many you can manage to get under your measuring tool.

Even with an infinitely thin line, isn't possible to touch multiple models per rank? If the shot is fired diagonally at a regiment, it should be able to touch more than one man per rank.
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Rubberchrist
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Shennanigans are out of the question!
I've gone over this with a couple of my friendlier opponents because it is indeed worded all goofy.

The concensus is that you may only hit one model per rank/file regardless of how many models the line may cross.

so this, hit from the front:

000X0
000X0
00X00
0X000
0X000

Would only hit 5 models, even if there were a couple extra in there.

of course, stuff like this is possible from a goofy front angle. which would only hit 3 ranks.

00X00
000X0
0000X
00000
00000

or (if you hit them from the side)

00000
XX000
00X00
000XX
00000

But you still only hit one model per row the line passes through.

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scrivener
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Rubberchrist has got it right about the line: only one model per row (rank or file), even if the line overlaps across neighbouring models. The reason behind this rule is presumably to prevent people from trying to position the WLC's angle so that the line touches as many bases as possible. It's difficult to sort out, since you're not going to actually draw a physical line across the bases, and has a potential for annoying nitpicking:

Skaven player: "Look, it just barely clips the tip of that base, so it counts!"
Opponent: "no it doesn't, you've just got parallax error!"
Skaven player: "No, you're just imagining the line wrongly!" :rolleyes:

So, to avoid making things pedantic and overly precise, one model per row. As with the below diagrams, trying to count the models on the side has just too much potential for silliness.
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Clanrat
Thanks for the answers but still, the paragraph wich states that theres an exception is making my brain get all confused, for i have stated it says that all under the line are hit. And says hits different that a cannon ball.
Iam no power gamer just have to get the rules right xD.
Ill aply Scrievener great chart(o my tail, damm) butt still the rules are a bit confussing so is your chart like a convention?
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Lord Lughtigern
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The Mad Ratter.

The exception is that the cannonball only hits things along it's bounce, where as the WLC beam hits everthing in range. Perhaps this is the exception? Otherwise, Scrivener's more-humourous-version-of-the-rulebook chart interpretation is correct.
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Clanrat
I still think that sticking to literally reading states that every model that cross the line are hit, that would be the exception of the WLC.
As I said literally reading states that by my interpretation. Also I think that for further games Ill use scrievener chart unless I get an answer thats not just for goodsportmanship
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Not to sound rude or anything, but how hard can it be to read the rulebook?

The rules for the Warp-Lightning Cannon were written during the 6th edition, and since then, there has been an errata AND a new rulebook regarding as to how you need to interpretate hits from a cannon. If you flip to page 87, you might get to the part that says, "[...] only one model per rank can be hit". (Right side of the page, third paragraph, fifth line).

Rubberchrist and scrivener had already answered this question for you.

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Clanrat
Ok BUT IT stills says "except that all models (friend of foe)lying along the entire lines lenght are hit" I accept you interpretation. But still they have soid its more a convention that anything
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Rubberchrist
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Shennanigans are out of the question!
That phrase means that unlike the cannonball, which only hits things along the bounce (and not while it is "in flight", the WLC is capable of dealing damage from the barrel to the end of its range, E.G: Everything "Along this line".

Its referral to how a cannonball hits is strictly in reference to the rule that each rank/file may have one affected model.


What GW should have said is something a little more like "select a target, roll range, draw a line from the tip of the gun through your target, ending at your rolled range... All models and units under this line are affected with only one model per rank/file affected by the weapon."

But, they always have been fans of referencing other rules for ease of writing, rather than being clear and concise where needed.

-R
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He's portrayed as this sort of jovial, jolly old guy who thinks that rotting apocolyptic plague is funny as hell... So basically he's a big ole fat bastard who thinks giving you a scorching case of the herp is a big laugh." ---Kadrium

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