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WFT vs Dragon Armour; bad wording
Topic Started: 3rd May 2008 - 12:39 PM (672 Views)
Glod-Unbaraki
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I'll start this out by saying, "man the search function sucks on our site" :P

Anyway, back to the point in hand.
Does the WFT count as flaming attacks or not?
gamesworkshop always seem to put "this weapon makes flaming attacks" when one does and the WFT doesn't state it (although you'd assume it is from the name)

Any ideas people? the erratta doesn't seem to cover it...


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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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It's indeed not specified in the armybook, so if the errata doesn't cover it either, it won't be causing any fire attacks.

Though, if I'm not mistaken, the WFT was mentioned in addition to Dragon Armour being immune to fire attacks. Could be wrong, someone would have to verify that for me.

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Wheezcellbert
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Ive heard that Dragon Armor ignores it but Ive also heard that the WFT isnt a flame attack and just a magical attack. If the Dragon Armor specifically mentions the WFT and being immune then go with that but if it doesn't Id say the WFT can wound and if your opponent wants a reason just say, "Were Skaven, we do what we want."
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Bunny ear says flop

*nods*... The WFT is a warpstone-based weapon, so (together with a fair few others) count as magical weapon.

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eldereth
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but for dragon armour they give the skaven WFT as an example of an attack which would be negated by it...

I'd say it gets negated by dragon armour using common sense, although it's not in the rules.
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Rusty Tincanne
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But desn't the WFT negate regeneration, just like flame attacks?

I guess it is moot since it isn't listed as a flame attack, but if it does negate regen it would add fuel (so to speak) to the argment that WFT's are, indeed flame attacks.
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Stripsteak
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even though it's not listed under the WFT description in the skaven book on pg 95 of the BRB under flaming attacks "Some war machines, like the Warpfire Thrower of the Skaven,... use fire as a deadly form of attack."
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Blood Vixen
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I think i just found a silly little thing... pure tzeentch wont be able to kill dragon prices as everything has flaming attacks, that sucks
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Master Assassin Kerqueak
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May 17 2008, 06:45 PM
I think i just found a silly little thing... pure tzeentch wont be able to kill dragon prices as everything has flaming attacks, that sucks

If you mean pure Tzeentch Daemons, then theyll just have to grab another Daemon character.

Wow, something that GW did makes sense.

... ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

oh wait, pure Tzeentch have Lords of Change, they dont have flaming attacks do they?
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Sicarous
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yes the lord of change has flaming attacks
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Bunny ear says flop

Stripsteak
May 17 2008, 08:53 PM
even though it's not listed under the WFT description in the skaven book on pg 95 of the BRB under flaming attacks "Some war machines, like the Warpfire Thrower of the Skaven,... use fire as a deadly form of attack."

In all honesty, I'm not too convinced of that. Even though the name Warpfire Thrower would indicate that (a form of) fire is used, the entry in the Skaven armybook doesn't state the WFT to be doing flame attacks... Otherwise, the Dwarf flame cannon would have the same effect, though it's not stated there either (specifically) that the weapon has flame attacks.

I mean, the essence of a flame attack is that you negate regenerate and burn mummies and trees easier. Something the WFT officially can't do, so it would be (in my opinion) be silly to suddenly, when it's in the advantage of the High Elves, claim that they do have flame attacks.

Isn't this listed in an errata somewhere?

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Throat Ripper
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Its not a fire attack and is infact a magical one as stated in the warpstone weapons section in the skaven army book. So bugger off you poncy little gits, we win this one.

Unless of course its both, which apparently it doesnt say so, and also calls it warpflame.
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Rubberchrist
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I could have swore I read something about that somewhere.... As it stands, I don;t see anything specific... However, since the name and the fluff suggests that it is burning liquid warp stone, and since it uses the flame template, I have always thought of it as a flame weapon.

Even though I have never NEEDED it to be a flame weapon, I would consider it to be so for all the pros and cons that go along with it.

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PS: I suppose that the same argument could be used to the opposite. Since the only thing specifically mentioned about the WFT is that it is a "magical attack", and nothing at all about fire, that it is in fact not a flame attack.
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Errata Time!! When in Doubt, consult Direwolf!!!

Quote:
 
Q. Are models wearing Dragon Armour immune to hits from the Screaming Skull Catapult, since they are flaming hits? Same question with the
Chariot of Fire’s impact hits (and Dwarf war machine with Rune of Burning by the way).

A. They are only immune to ‘pure’ flame attacks such as flame cannons,
dragon’s breath, warpfire throwers, Lore of Fire attack spells and
the like. They are not immune to cannonballs, chariot scythes,
screaming skulls or anything else that also happens to be on fire!
(Note: they are not immune to Tzeentch spells).
S. Warhammer Chronicles 2004 page 117


The above FAQ might be 6th edition, but the basic premise should remain consistent. The Warpfire Thrower is a flame attack, and a 'pure' one too. ;) This though, raises the interesting question: When is Red Fire not fire, and a DreadLance not a lance? When it's a Jar?
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Glod-Unbaraki
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The 7th ed. errata for HE on the GW site doesn't mention the WFT as a flame weapon. And it isn't mentioned in our Errata at all.

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