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SAD (ish) army list; 2000 points nearly
Topic Started: 11th April 2008 - 02:45 PM (163 Views)
ratman64


I am a new ratling to this world and I wish to progress through the ranks of the under-empire. I have built a force that I hope will please the Great Horned Rat and the Council of Thirteen, I would be greatly honoured to have my force appraised by those in higher authority..................

Warlord... heavy armour, shield, weeping blade, bands of power and warpstone amulet

Warlock ... fully loaded plus 2 dispel scrolls
Warlock ... fully loaded plus storm deamon
Warlock ... dispel scroll and death globes.

25 Clanrats musician, banner and ratling gun
25 Clanrats musician, banner and ratling gun
25 Clanrats musician, banner and WFT

20 Slaves
20 Slaves
20 Slaves

5 Jezzails

5 Gutter runners poisoned hand weapons and tunneling

1 WLC (yes 1)

4 Globadiers
3 Globadiers
3 Globadiers

20 Plague monks musician and banner

1 Plague priest with plague censer

6 Censer bearers

total of 1992,

would this force please the Great Horned Rat I wait humbly for guidance

^Warpfire^ ^Warpfire^ ^Warpfire^
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Sammy the Squid
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Back to retirement!

First up your list is illegal, because you have too many characters. Only 4 are allowed in 2k games. I thought all was fine, but then I saw you had a Priest hidden at the bottom of the list... :ph43r:

Now, for the rest of the list. Personally I'd drop 1 Engineer in favour of a BSB, but I am a huge fan of BSB's for Skaven armies... I find they are essential at winning combat and keeping your army from fleeing...
With the points saved from the extra character, maybe add a unit of Giant Rats or Night Runners to support your battleline, or just add more numbers to your Clanrat blocks... Or you could give the Monks the Banner of Burning Hatred or War Banner to help boost them in combat...

Besides that the list really does look good. Well balanced (maybe a bit heavy on magic side) and should be fun to use!

One more thing, 2k Skaven armies should never have less than 1999 points, as Slaves are only 2pts each. If you ever have points to spare, just stick in another Clanrat or a few slaves! The more the merrier! :)

- Sammy
"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!"

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Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20
Dark Elves - 44/14/8
Hochland Empire - 33/14/4
Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4
Beastmen - 50/25/2

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Aderashi
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Chieftain
That looks like a solid start, there are a few thing that MUST be changed and a few that would be better to change.

- 1th of all you have 5 characters in 2000 pts (this is illegal) so you have to drop your plague priest or a warlock).
- the 3th warlock has no gear.. for only 50 pts extra you have 1 of the most scary casters in game (trade your death globes for eye of the horned rat for 9 PD a turn).
-Drop the WFT it is a waste of points (due to the high chance to explode + the fact that he will rarely do anything + he is expensive, I would rather consider a 3th ratlinggun)
-Give an additional hw to your plague monks, this will make them good fighters, now it would be better to use the points of the plague monks for a 4th clanrat unit). (and consider a magic banner on them).
-5 jezzails is not enough, because 5 jezzials tend to do relatively nothing. 10 jezzials is the minimum (in my opinion).
-It would be easier if you posted your army lists in the correct order (hero's first, then core followed by special, rare) now it looks like you pasted a few things in there afterwards.

Other than that it is a good solid start and as it is now it should work quite well.
May the horned rat be with you ^_^
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ratman64


OOOP's.............. I forgot about the 4 figure rule, if I drop the warlock with the globes that frees up 90 points plus the 8 left over gives me 98, so how would you best spend them? bsb sounds cool whats it cost?
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Aeschere
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Ah a newbie, GET HIM!

First of all, welcome to the UE. Second of all your list isn't even close to being a SAD army. But that isn't much of a problem. However, your list has a lot of flaws at the moment and I guess it is your bad luck that I have to much time on my hands to offer some suggestions ;-)

- The warpstone amulet is a big risk. If your warlord survives the battle you may still give away victory points. If you want to give him a ward save (which really isn't necessary since he will be hiding in a unit anyway) give him the Tenebrous Cloak. But I would suggest dropping it all together.

- The pistol on the Engineers isn't worth it. Drop it on all of them. And please give your third warlock the kit as well. Also I would advice you to drop one dispel scroll and take the Eye of the horned rat. That allows you to cast Warp Lightning three times with three dice. In the case you loose a dice you just eat a warpstone token to make up for the loss. The death globes are only usefull in combination with skitterleap imo. So you can lose those as well

- The Warpfire thrower won't do as much damage as the ratling gun so switch those.

- Get more Clanrats!

- Slaves should be 22+ imo. And include a musician. That way they won't panic that easy and they even have a change of rallying in the case they are going to panic.

- 5 Jezzails won't do you much good. Increase them for better changes of taking something out.

- Your globadiers are ok, but might be dropped for something better.

- 5 Gutter runners are nice. But if you need points you can drop 2 of them.

- Your plague priests should have a banner (banner of burning hatred or umbranner) and additional handweapons to make them useful.

- You can only have 4 characters so the Plague priest is illegal.

- The censer bearers are ok.

- You have 8 points left which in unnecessary. You can get a clan rat and a slave for that or even 4 slaves.

Taking your list as a basis I have come up with this list which in my opinion is able to function better.

Warlord; Heavy Armour, Shield, Weeping Blade, Bands of Power 169

Warlock; Kit-pistol, dispel scroll, eye of the horned rat 135
Warlock; Kit-pistol, storm deamon 110
Warlock; Kit-pistol, dispel scroll 110

25 Clan rats; Banner, Musician, ratling gun 200
24 Clan rats; Banner, Musician, ratling gun 196
24 Clan rats; Banner, Musician, ratling gun 196
24 Clan rats; Banner, Musician 140

22 Slaves; Musician 48
22 Slaves; Musician 48
22 Slaves; Musician 48

2 PWG’s 20
2 PWG’s 20

6 Jezzails 120

3 Gutter Runners; Tunneling, Poisoned HW's 51

20 Plague Monks; FC, BoBH, ADHW's 210

5 Censer bearers 85

1 WLC 100

Total Points: 1999

Hope you like it. Looking forward to seeing your second list.

And just so you know. All the comment above is meant in a good way. By no means I am trying to "diss" you.

Cheers.
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You got Owned!
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ratman64


Aeschere........... Firstly Thanks for your comments, and I never thought for one min you were dissing me, I had forgotten about the 4 character rule, and will adjust my list accordingly,
secondly, it appears that I have a lot to learn about skaven hood with the various comments ALREADY comming up so i am gonna go and find a dark damp cave eat some dark green cheese climb the walls and come up with another LEGAL list.
I like what you have come up with, but being a tight rat (money) i will see where i can save money and still try to field a reasonable force!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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