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| 2000 point Skaven army; ...led by a Grey Seer on Screaming Bell | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 8th April 2008 - 08:12 PM (681 Views) | |
| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 08:12 PM Post #1 |
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Greetings once again everyone. This time I've been playing around with making a 2000 point list led by a Grey Seer mounted on a Screaming Bell. I know a lot of people frown on using the Bell at such a relatively low points level, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. Please let me know what you think. Grey Seer- Screaming Bell Twisted Crown of the Horned Rat Eye of the Horned Rat Warpstone Charm Chieftan- Battle Standard War Banner Plague Priest- Additional Hand Weapon Warpstone Amulet Bands of Power Warlock Engineer- Warp Blades Upgraded Warp Energy Condenser Supercharged Warp Power Accumulator Dispel Scroll Storm Daemon 24 Clanrats- Ratling Gun Musician Standard Bearer Clawleader 29 Clanrats- Ratling Run Musician Standard Bearer Clawleader 25 Slaves- Musician 25 Slaves- Musician 5 Night Runners- Additional Hand Weapons 5 Night Runners- Throwing Stars 5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers 6 Gutter Runners- Poisoned Hand Weapons Tunnelling Team 24 Plague Monks- Additional Hand Weapons Musician Standard Bearer Banner of Burning Hatred Deacon 6 Plague Censer Bearers TOTAL-1998pts. |
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| Vermitt Stain | 8th April 2008 - 08:22 PM Post #2 |
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once again a solid list the only thing i would say is to try get another unit of clannies in there i dont know how but i think it would be better |
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| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 08:34 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks, Vermitt. I agree, another unit of Clanrats thrown in there would be more than welocome. I might play around with some of the points, and see what I can come up with. Other than that, though, it looks fairly good to you? The only unit I'm not entirely sure of is the tunnelling team of Gutter Runners. I'm not sure if that's a good looking unit or not. Some people swear by them though, so I'd like to check them out. How effective do you think they'd be against, say, Vampire Counts? |
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| Aeschere | 8th April 2008 - 09:14 PM Post #4 |
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Tunnelers are great for war machine hunting. They might even get a lonesome mage if they are lucky. Personally I run the in units of three, but that is just me. One more unit of clan rats will surely improve the list, just don't attach another ratling gun to it. You can free up some points by dropping 5 plague monks. I know, 25 is more comfortable, but 20 will do the job just fine in my opinion, the claw leaders,1 slaves in each unit, the additional hand weapon on the night runners, 1 plague censer bearer, 1 tunneler and some(3) PWG's. Damn, that is a lot of dropping for just one unit. But lets do some calculations. Dropping all of the above will grant you 138 points. With the 2 poins you have left that will be 140 points. Just enough to get you one unit of 25 clan rats with a banner and a musician. Now it is time to go to bed. See what you do with the above. Good luck. And just so you know, you are doing a good job with fabricating army lists. They all look very solid. Ps. Gutter runners vs VC is a waste of points. But against all other opponents they are well worth it. |
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| pilgrim2715 | 8th April 2008 - 09:20 PM Post #5 |
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Certainly a solid list. I agree with vermitt, another unit of clanrats and slaves would be helpful. I would consider dropping the bell for another unit of 30 clanrats and another unit of slaves. Two thousand points is, in my opinion, too small of a battle for the bell, it takes too many points away from the essential core troops. Best to field it in 2500+ or even 3000+ battles. As far as your tunneling team, it is definitely a useful addition, it could be cut down to 5 though if you wanted to save points. Against VC they may not be quite as effective (if nothing else they will provide a useful diversion) but against virtually any other army with war machines they are fantastic. |
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| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 09:32 PM Post #6 |
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Okay, great points everyone! And thank you again for the support with making these lists, you've all been invaluable. Thanks for the kind words, Aeschere, and also the list of things I could cut down on to get myself another unit of Clanrats. I think I just might follow that advice and see what I can come up with. You're right, pilgrim, it does seem that the Screaming Bell is a little too expensive for a 2000 point army. But...I think I'll at least give it a shot anyway. It's a bit of a risk, for sure, but we'll see how it goes. Aside from that, it just looks so cool too, especially if I convert a couple of my un-used Rat Ogres to be pushing it along inside a big unit of Clanrats. Almost too good to pass up! Okay, I'm going to do some switching around and see what I can come up with in order to squeeze another unit of Clanrats in there, and maybe something else for some added variety. Thanks again everyone. I'm glad to see I'm on the right track with my lists! |
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| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 09:36 PM Post #7 |
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Oh, and if nothing else, I might just go ahead and switch out the Gutter Runners for something else. Honestly, for the most part at the moment, I'm going to be facing Vampire Counts armies of all kinds, so I'm sure there's something more useful for facing them. That gives me a lot more points in order to buy another unit of Clanrats with, and combat resolution is almost certainly how I'm going to be winning the day against the dead-things. |
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| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 09:44 PM Post #8 |
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Okay, here are the changes I've decided to make to the list. Honestly, I'm more than happy with them! I didn't have to change too much around, and the biggest thing was dropping the tunnelling Gutter Runners altogether. Against my largely Vampire opponent base, they're obviously not as useful as another solid block of troops, so it wasn't too hard to say goodbye to them. Maybe they'll make an appearance later on, but for now they aren't totally needed. I also dropped a single Slave from each unit, and also dropped 4 Plague Monks. So, when all was said and done, this is what I had. Grey Seer- Screaming Bell Twisted Crown of the Horned Rat Eye of the Horned Rat Warpstone Charm Chieftan- Battle Standard War Banner Plague Priest- Additional Hand Weapon Warpstone Amulet Bands of Power Warlock Engineer- Warp Blades Upgraded Warp Energy Condenser Supercharged Warp Power Accumulator Dispel Scroll Storm Daemon 24 Clanrats- Ratling Gun Musician Standard Bearer Clawleader 29 Clanrats- Ratling Run Musician Standard Bearer Clawleader 25 Clanrats- Musician Standard Bearer 24 Slaves- Musician 24 Slaves- Musician 5 Night Runners- Additional Hand Weapons 5 Night Runners- Throwing Stars 5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers 20 Plague Monks- Additional Hand Weapons Musician Standard Bearer Banner of Burning Hatred Deacon 6 Plague Censer Bearers TOTAL-2000 points |
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| pilgrim2715 | 8th April 2008 - 09:50 PM Post #9 |
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Doomwheel Driver
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Much better. Dropping the globadiers and the clawleaders (they are only necessary if a combat hero is joining the unit) from your clanrats would be beneficial. It would provide enough points for another slave unit and to increase the clanrat unit from 25 to 30 models. |
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| Skrost | 8th April 2008 - 10:07 PM Post #10 |
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Nice! Definately another good set of suggestions, pilgrim! I'll definately consider doing that. But, aside from that it's looking good now, I take it? I'm quite happy with it, as I thought fitting in such a massively expensive unit such a Screaming Bell would make for a hideously small(and therefore crappy) Skaven army. I'm more than excited to see that this is not necessarily the case! |
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| ==Me== | 8th April 2008 - 10:26 PM Post #11 |
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I miss ==My== Bell
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Mmm...love that Bell Solid list overall, as always. If you need points, you can drop the Twisted Crown for the Tenebrous Cloak, a better ward save and 20 points cheaper. Lose the clawleaders and some slaves and you can get another unit of slaves. Also, don't neglect LOS blockers for your Monks, otherwise they'll go running off on their own and you don't want that (they absolutely pwn zombies btw). |
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| Skrost | 9th April 2008 - 04:18 AM Post #12 |
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Thanks for the reply and suggestions, ==Me==. It's great to see another Bell lover give his two cents on the matter. It almost seems universal that I need to throw another unit of Slaves in there, and so it shall be done. Their uses and subsequent horrible deaths are more than worth the sacrifice of some of the other units. Thanks for the tips on what I should cut down on. I'm pretty sure I'll end up getting another Slave unit in there. |
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| Aeschere | 9th April 2008 - 05:28 AM Post #13 |
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You are welcome. Always nice to help some "new" players out. ==Me== is right about the slaves, the more the better and getting points for them isn't that much of a problem. You just have to learn that the pawleaders really aren't worth their points. Their extra attack won't do much and you can get more troops by just dropping them for better and longer combat resolution. So again here are some suggestions that you can use to add another unit of slaves with a musician. Like ==Me== said, switching the crown for a warm cloak is a good start that will free up 20 points alone. Now drop the pawleaders and you already have a unit of 20 slaves. Since your plague priest will most likely join the plague monks you can drop 1 more of those to get the last points required to upgrade the slave unit to 22 and add a musician. So with just loosing 1 model and some upgrades, which aren't worth it anyway, you have another unit. The bell might be a bit expensive but since you don't back him up with a lot of engineers, jezzails and/or a warp lightning cannon things should turn out just fine. |
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| Skrost | 9th April 2008 - 06:37 PM Post #14 |
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Great, thanks for that, Aeschere! As always your suggestions are very helpful, and ones that I'll certainly be following! On a side note, I noticed my name is a bright yellow today! I hope that means something good! |
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| Skrost | 9th April 2008 - 06:39 PM Post #15 |
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Yay! It's orange now! That means I'm an inhabitant! Oh yes, it won't be long now... Thanks everyone. I love the UnderEmpire! Not only that, but I do believe I'll make the appropriate changes and get myself a unit of 22 Slaves with a Musician as you suggested. It's been said before, and it'll be said again; you can never have too many Slaves
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