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Skaven 2250 for Tourney
Topic Started: 2nd April 2008 - 02:57 AM (277 Views)
ghostskaven007


Hello fellow rat brothers.

i have a tourney to go to in 2 weeks and would like to do well.
I would appreciate your most honest review of my list and tell me how you think it will do.

I would like to do well in the comp scores to so tell me how or if it is cheese.

2250

Grey Seer 335
Dispell scroll
twisted crown of the horned rat
eye of the horned rat

Warlock engineer 130
all stuff (no pistol)
Storm Daemon
Death Globes

Warlock engineer 85
All stuff (no pistol)

Plague Priest 122
Bands of power
languisher sword
flail

29 Clanrats 220
Std Mus
Ratling gun

24 Clanrats 219
Spears
Std Mus
Ratling gun

20 Slaves 40

20 Slaves 40

5 Night Runners 25

1 Giant rat pack 30

1 Giant rat pack 30

17 Plague Monks 176
Std Mus
Extra HW
Banner of burning hatred

18 Plague Monks 169
Full command
Extra HW

6 Tunneling Teams 102
Poison

4 Rat Ogres 200

7 Plague censer bearers 119

Giant 205


So what do you guys think????
Is it competitive????
Dev
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pilgrim2715
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Pretty good.

A few suggestions:

You will have plenty of magic with the grey seer and one warlock. I would recommend dropping the second warlock for a BSB.

Your priest cannot use both the magic blade and the flail. Since you have a sizable amount of magic, I would recommend taking an extra hand weapon and the bands of power.

Spears are a waste of points, drop them from the second unit and use the points to get 5 more clanrats.

Dropping one of the plague monk units for another unit of clanrats and slaves would be a good idea.

I'm not sure how effective the giant would be, especially against opponents with a significant amount of shooting. Dropping him for more clanrats/slaves might be a good idea.

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ghostskaven007


HI thanks for the reply

Iwas going to take a bsb instead of the second warlock but couldnt make my mind up on the magic banner,

i am trying to go for the combat army thats why i want the 2 plague monk units and the giant.

the plague priest has the flail incase the bands dont work, i want the sword so it is possible to get 4 st8 re roll misses strike first attacks, nothing to sneeze at.
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ghostskaven007
Apr 2 2008, 03:26 AM
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the plague priest has the flail incase the bands dont work, i want the sword so it is possible to get 4 st8 re roll misses strike first attacks, nothing to sneeze at.

yeah its great but when the bands dont work you'll still be getting 4 rerollable striking first S4 attacks with the sword as you cant use the flail. you cant actually legally wield it at the same time as the sword. a character that has a magic close combat weapon cannot use any other close combat weapons.
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Can't use and can't be armed with are two separate concepts.

I haven't got the BRB at my office so I'll have to wait till I get home to check it.

He may be allowed to buy an additional mundane weapon (other than the free weapon all heroes have compulsory) and a magic one, but would have to declare which weapon he was using at the begining of the each combat the priest enters.


I like the list, except that you only have 4 ranked combat units (and 2 slave units), that will be: equal or be less than your opponents RCUs, making it likely you'll end up in a lot of 1v1 fights. Your plague monks shouldn't be too worried by this, as long as they dont get widdled down to +1 rank or hit an armored unit. Your clan rats are not up to snuff (combat-wise) to take a 1v1 even the most basic unit on other armies.

Another clan rat unit doesn't sound like much, but it will give your main battle line a little more security, it will widen your main foce and restrict your flanks from your enemies. You have a strong ranged offense, and good flank/ distraction units, but one moderately elite unit getting a charge on your clan rats and running down a bsb, lock, or seer can flip things around on you very quickly.


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CapAmr05
Apr 2 2008, 10:50 AM
Can't use and can't be armed with are two separate concepts.

I haven't got the BRB at my office so I'll have to wait till I get home to check it. 

He may be allowed to buy an additional mundane weapon (other than the free weapon all heroes have compulsory) and a magic one, but would have to declare which weapon he was using at the begining of the each combat the priest enters. <snip>

ok if you want to get picky and be a rules lawyer then go ahead, it will be you that is wasting points on carrying a weapon that you CANT use. I was just trying to help but as you so clearly pointed out; yes, the plague preist CAN take the mundane flail but why waste the points as you CAN NOT use it while you are carrying a magical weapon also. it clearly states in the rule book 'a character that has a magic close combat weapon cannot use any other close combat weapons.' so you can buy it and carry it around but because you also have a magic close combat weapon you MUST use that instead. you can carry the flail but clearly you cant use it. there are black and white rules saying NO. the only models that can pick and choose which weapon they are using is IIRC Black Orcs and Slayers as they are 'armed to da teef' or whatever it is called and same for the slayers but even these guys are bound by the rules for magic weapons if they take one.

example is a Blorc Lord carrying the shaggas screaming sword who is in combat but there are no enemy characters around so he gets no bonuses for the weapon. he cant now delcare that he wants to put the uber sword of doom away and bring out his great weapon because it will be more killy that the sword without any characters around. would be nice but it is not allowed using R.A.W.

For the list above i would save the points from the flail rather than carrying around a weapon just because you can
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ghostskaven007


hey cheers capamr05 that is the kind of reply i was after, i have another unit of 25 clanrats with warpfire thrower and 20 slaves i could add in, but in my experience so far all they have done is been a warpfire caddy, and in the 15 or so games with them they have done nothing, i am probably just using them wrong though.

if i was too take them what would you suggest taking out of my list to fit them in.

I appreciate the discussion on the flail and will drop it. it only few points anyway.

cheers
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ghostskaven007
Apr 2 2008, 09:55 PM
if i was too take them what would you suggest taking out of my list to fit them in.


Probably the giant. The extra 45 models and weapon team will be beneficial.

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ghostskaven007


I included the giant as i wanted something big and nasty for the enemy to worry about, also it goes with the combat theme, i kind of want to have alot of combat units so the enemy has more than just plague monks to worry about in combat. i think the giant fits that role better than another unit of clanrats.

They also look freekin awesome.

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ghostskaven007


Hello Again.

After much debate the army i have posted in this topic is the one i am taking to the tourney (no changes now). The only change i made to the list before sending it in was to move the death globes onto the other warlock.

i have had resonable success with the army drawing with dwarves and beastmen and VC, and a couple of wins vs wood elves, goblins and VC.

I will let everybody know how i get on after the tourney.

Wish your fellow rat luck. Dev #gs#
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