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1500 point Skaven army; A n00b's attempt at serving the Council
Topic Started: 1st April 2008 - 04:18 PM (498 Views)
Skrost
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Hey there everyone. I'm new to these parts, and also quite new to Skaven. I've finally found the Warhammer army for me, though, and this is what I've put together for my first Ratmen force of ultimate supremacy. Please let me know what you think, and what I could possibly change or add in the future.

Plague Priest-
Plague Censer
Liber Bubonicus
Warpstone Token

Warlock Engineer-
Warp Blades
Upgraded Warp Energy Condenser
Supercharged Warp Power Accumulator
Storm Daemon

Assassin-
Smoke Bombs
Warpstone Stars

29 Clanrats-
Musician
Standard Bearer
Clawleader

30 Clanrats-
Musician
Standard Bearer
Clawleader

1 Giant Rat Pack

20 Clanrat Slaves

10 Night Runners-
Additional Hand Weapons
Throwing Stars

10 Night Runners-
Additional Hand Weapons
Slings

5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

20 Plague Monks-
Additional Hand Weapons
Musician
Standard Bearer
Banner of Burning Hatred
Deacon

2 Rat Ogre Packs

6 Plague Censer Bearers

TOTAL-1498pts.
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Skrost
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And just to add some more food for thought, here's another list I've done up, and could easily get the models for if needed. Let me know what you think of this one as well, and how it stacks up against the first list.

Chieftan-
Additional Hand Weapon
Heavy Armour
Shield
Warpstone Amulet
Bands of Power

Chieftan-
Battle Standard Bearer
War Banner

Warlock Engineer-
Warp Blades
Upgraded Warp Energy Condenser
Storm Daemon
Dispel Scroll

25 Clanrats-
Full Command
Ratling Gun

25 Clanrats-
Full Command
Warpfire Thrower

20 Slaves

20 Slaves

10 Night Runners-
Additional Hand Weapons
Slings

10 Night Runners-
Additional Hand Weapons
Throwing Stars

5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

6 Jezzails

20 Plague Monks-
Additional Hand Weapons
Full Command
Banner of Burning Hatred

5 Plague Censer Bearers

TOTAL-1500pts.
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Aeschere
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The second list looks ace. You might want to change some slings or throwing weapons for a few more slaves so you can take a few more casualties before you have to take a panic test.
Also the warpfire thrower is imo inferior to the ratling gun, so it might be an idea to swap to wft for a ratling.
Also it is generally accepted that the unit champion is not worth it's points so you can get some more poisoned wind globadiers for those points. Or even some more jezzails. Also try considering getting a musician for your slaves. Well worth it's points.

The rest of the list looks good. You can do some more optimizing but it is not really needed at the moment. A good solid list with a bit of everything. Nice work.

I can be short about the first list...forget you made it ;-) It has a lot of flaws imo (rat ogres, assasin, giant rats, to little slaves and 2 points left that you could have spend on another slave)
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Skrost
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:D Okay then, second list it is! However, I'm thinking of switching out one of the characters in the second list for a Plague Priest, as they're one of my favorite types of Skaven Hero. Any suggestions on which one of the Chieftans I should remove in order to do this? The BSB seems pretty vital to me, so I'm thinking it should be the Chieftan with the two hand weapons. I think a Plague Priest is much more hitty anyway, so it shouldn't be too much of a loss.

Thanks for the reply, Aeschere! I'll take what you've said into consideration and see what I can come up with.
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pilgrim2715
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I agree with Aeschere, the second list is excellent.

A few suggestions with the second list:

If you are planning on switching one of the heroes for a chieftain, the combat orientated chieftain would definitely be best to replace. Arm the priest with either a flail and the amulet or an extra hand weapon and the bands.

Because there will be no combat hero in the clanrat units, you can drop the champions. Replace the thrower with a ratling gun. The ratling gun is superior versus most armies.

With the two weapon teams, the warlock, and the censers you have plenty of anti armor. Dropping the jezzails for another unit of 25 clanrats with standard and musician would be a good idea.

The nightrunner units are too big. Divide them into 3 units of 5-6 with extra hand weapons or throwing stars (7 points) and use extra points for giant rats or hero equipment.

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Thanks muchly for the reply and ideas, pilgrim2715. I'll take your advice into consideration and make the appropriate alterations..err, mutations. I think by the time I'm done tinkering with the second list, it's going to be pretty nasty!

I like your suggestion of dropping the Jezzails for more Clanrats. I like the horde feel much more than the SAD approach, so I think that's one change I'm sure to make.

Okay, well I'm going to get to work on re-writing the second list, and I'll post it asap. Thanks again to everyone!
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Okay, here's a revised list, taking into account much of the advice I've been given by some of the more wise members here. Let me know how it's looking now.

Plague Priest-
Additional Hand Weapon
Warpstone Amulet
Bands of Power

Chieftan-
Battle Standard Bearer
War Banner

Warlock Engineer-
Warp Blades
Upgraded Warp Energy Condenser
Storm Daemon
Dispel Scroll

24 Clanrats-
Musician
Standard Bearer
Clawleader
Ratling Gun

25 Clanrats-
Musician
Standard Bearer
Ratling Gun

25 Clanrats-
Musician
Standard Bearer

20 Slaves-
Musician

20 Slaves-
Musician

5 Night Runners-
Additional Hand Weapons

5 Night Runners-
Throwing Stars

5 Night Runners-
Throwing Stars

2 Giant Rat Packs

5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

20 Plague Monks-
Additional Hand Weapons
Musician
Standard Bearer
Banner of Burning Hatred
Deacon

6 Plague Censer Bearers

TOTAL-1499pts.
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Skrost
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Oh, and this is a bit off topic, but does anyone know if the Plague Priest model(the newest one, that come out with Lustria) comes with its' arms attached, or do you have to glue them in place?

I'm hoping they don't come attached, as that would make for an easy conversion, having him armed with an additional hand weapon as I do...
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Looks great, though I think you should include another unit of Slaves (maybe drop some start-throwing nighties and the clanrat champion).

As for the Plague Priest, AFAIK the model has arms attached. You can just do what I did and make him out of the plastic plague monks.
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Skrost
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Thanks ==Me==, I appreciate the response! Of course, another unit of Slaves would be excellent(can never have too many it seems), but at this point I like the number of models I've got going on, which comes to a grand total of 177. Not bad! I'm trying to be realistic in what I want to effectively paint at this point, and 177 little rats to get through is enough for the time being ;)

I like to keep a little variation and interest going on within the list, and as such will keep the Night Runners with the Throwing Stars. A little short ranged missile fire never hurt anyone, and they look cool. Also, the Clawleader in the one unit of Clanrats will stay for now as well I guess....if only just for my own strange reasons. I guess that if, for some strange and unlikely reason, my BSB(which is in the same unit as the Clawleader) gets plunked in the front rank, the Clawleader will be able to take a challenge for him. Pretty shakey premise for an excuse, eh? Other than that, in a completely non-game sense, said Clawleader/BSB led unit of Clanrats is what I'd consider my general's favoured unit, and as such would probably be led by a cunning veteran or some such. Regardless, I have the 10 points, and I guess he'll stay for now.

Thanks for the info on the Plague Priest's arms as well. I guess I'll figure something out, as I'd like to use the metal model for a suitably impressive Plague Priest. I might end up having to saw his arms off or something drastic like that...Oh well, we'll see for sure when the model arrives.

Thanks again!
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Happy to offer what little experience I have :P

I'm just going from an effectiveness POV, but ultimately it's up to what you want to play with and overall it looks quite good. Remember, you can keep that BSB stuck in the rear rank and still get his benefits and have the option of ditching a combat if it gets too hairy. I'd prefer having a plague deacon for another wonderful attack in the monks unit, but it really isn't a big difference.

Painting all those rats is daunting, but if you give yourself a schedule to stick to (perhaps a painting vow...) and mix it up between painting clanrats/slaves you'll have them done in no time. I've been alternating between painting ==My== rats, Orks, and Space Marines to keep things fresh and I'm finally starting to make progress on them.

Good luck :)
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Skrost
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Thanks muchly, ==Me==. I completely agree, and I'm not sure if you caught it or not but I definately do have a Plague Deacon in my Monks unit....that extra attack is needed as these boys are my main damage dealers.

As for painting, well...this will be the first army I've ever fully painted. Which is kind of terrifying, considering I picked the Warhammer army with possibly the most models needed, aside from a pure Gobbo army perhaps. However, thanks to this lovely site, I found Rattsu's guide to speedpainting, which sounds just about perfect to me. Her results are very impressive as well, so I think I'm going to be trying me some of that!
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The new list is outstanding Skrost. You have a large number of troop blocks and sizable amounts of skirmishers, always a good sign with Skaven. I would advise fielding those monks 7 wide by three deep for the extra attacks.

The Lustria plague lord definitely has his arms attached. He is packaged fully assembled and is armed with a flail/censer.
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Thank you muchly, pilgrim! I'm loving the new list, and everything I need for it is ordered and on its' way to my doorstep.

Sadly yes, the Plague Priest is a one-piece model and has his Plague Censer attached. However, thanks to some helpful advice, I'm going to convert my own Plague Priest with an additional hand weapon using Throt the Unclean as a base, much like they've done to make Plague Pontifex Quetch on the GW site. All it will take is a tiny bit of modelling putty to fill in the small extra arm socket Throt has, and the addition of a couple plastic Plague Monk arms. It looks great, and I think I like it even better than the normal Plague Priest model!

Thanks again for the encouragement, pilgrim and everyone! You've all been incredibly helpful.

I'll be sure to post some pictures of Plague Priest Skrost as soon as I have him finished! I'll also be sure to let you all know how the list fares(in other words, how horribly I crush the enemies of the Skaven master race) when I get it on the tabletop.

Now though, I'm looking to the future, and just how I should go about advancing this list to the 2000 point level. Any suggestions? I think I'd like to go for a Grey Seer, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
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Apr 2 2008, 05:41 PM
Now though, I'm looking to the future, and just how I should go about advancing this list to the 2000 point level.  Any suggestions?  I think I'd like to go for a Grey Seer, but I'm not sure.  Thoughts?

I would recommend fielding a warlord for the superior leadership. If your opponents' field a lot of magic though, certainly use the Grey Seer. For 2000 points, warlord, BSB and 2 warlocks is a good combination. Or Grey Seer, warlock, BSB, priest/assassin for a grey seer list.

You can certainly post your 2K list for evaluation when have finished composing it.
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