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| Tweet Topic Started: 23rd March 2008 - 05:30 PM (730 Views) | |
| Warlord Ritchet | 23rd March 2008 - 05:30 PM Post #1 |
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The Psychotic Bouncing Rat
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Is it worth the extra points to upgrade to these rats? From playtesting, Ive found that with as many dice rolled to attack, theres usually a few that turn up a 6, which could mean devistation on the other side. But the fact that that would make them 60 points each would seriously cut the size of my army. |
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| Rusty Tincanne | 23rd March 2008 - 09:52 PM Post #2 |
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Fortunately for me, the BCoN/Lustria list doesn't give me room to weigh the pros and cons of this argument. I am forced to take plague rat swarms. If i was playing the regular skaven list, I'd probably only take regular swarms, though. Unless there were a lot of creatures in my opponents army that would be susceptible to poisoned attacks. |
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| Sammy the Squid | 24th March 2008 - 05:43 AM Post #3 |
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Id say drop the Swarms all together in 7th edition. They cost the points of 6th edition, but suffer the weaknesses of 7th edition: ALL swarms crumble as Undead. They are not worth their high points cost, and will likely crumble after only a round or 2 of combat... So no, don't upgrade them to Plague Rat Swarms if you insist on taking them at all. Your points would be better invested in more numbers or some fire support... - Sammy |
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| Kievien | 24th March 2008 - 02:25 PM Post #4 |
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Chieftain
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Unless your fighting a giant or other unarmoured monster like a hydra off course... Poison is a real Monsterkiller ^^ |
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| Niz'tizi'ihack | 24th March 2008 - 02:33 PM Post #5 |
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Mad Harbringer of Mutation
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I have had a lot of success with poisoned rat swarms under 7th.. the trick is to hit the side of expensive units that don't have rank bonuses.. You can leave them lurking in woods or other terrain as they are skirmishers and then race out and hit the side of for example Chosen Knights. People rarely take more than 5 of these, a single knight rarely does more than 1 or 2 wounds, not enough to counteract, flank and outnumber most of the time, so you can hold him indefinitely and then deal with them in your own time.. Against units like Slayers & Ogres again you rock as they rarely have more than 1 or 2 ranks and High Toughness/Low Armour targets like these just fall over to your weight of numbers... with 3 stands you are likely to do at least 2 wounds. |
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| Edit | 24th March 2008 - 02:44 PM Post #6 |
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Stormvermin
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I took some plague swarms (had to by the list i'm using, Pest, back of book) and 3 bases took a Shaggoth to 1 wound before some yetis came to save the Shaggy. normally I think swarms are waaaay too expensive with the new crumbling rule, but they did more than their fair share in that battle. If you can get something with only 4ish attacks (especially if you can hit it in the flank) then they can bog it down, but typically they shouldn't wound anything (unless the opponent rolls horribly bad for armor saves as mine did) |
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| Niz'tizi'ihack | 24th March 2008 - 02:48 PM Post #7 |
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Mad Harbringer of Mutation
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I don't know Edit, a lot of big things like Giants, Ogres etc rely on their Toughness not Armour saves to not die. Poison skips over this roll entirely. If you have 12 attacks, that's almost 2 definite wounds against this type of enemy. Note I'm not trying to say that Poison Rat Swarms are uber good.. but if you know what your doing they can hold their own against other units in the army list. They do take some thinking. |
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| Edit | 24th March 2008 - 03:13 PM Post #8 |
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Stormvermin
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It is a gamble unless you know your opponent I would say, If you know hes running large stuff with little armor they are worth it. In my example the Shaggoth actually has a 3+ armor save, just bad rolling led it to almost dying vs the swarms (which did average about 2 6s a round), and until he got the yetis involved we both were surprised at their effectiveness. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 22nd April 2008 - 09:17 AM Post #9 |
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Bunny ear says flop
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The goal for rat swarms, in my army, was to hold up any 'power blocks' (such as for example Chosen Knights) and were therefor almost everytime free(-ish) victory points for my opponent. Any upgrades would mean I'd be giving my opponents more points, while negating the extra combat potential I could have put in my main offensive line of clanrats. However, there are some reasonable points as when to take Plague Rats, such as the big monsters (giants for example) who truely suffer under such a large amount of poisoned attacks. In those cases, I'd consider taking them, but otherwise I'd just stick to rat swarms in general. To finally add to this, I'm on the same line with Sammy. Under the 7th ed. crumble rule for swarms, they are not worth their high points. I'm awaiting the release of the new Skaven armybook, before they'll see a re-entry in my army. Greetz |
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