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Topic Started: 26th February 2008 - 02:50 PM (247 Views)
Cradwel DienteRojo
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Hail Horned Rat's Scions!

First of all, sorry my poor english... I don't speak it very often so i'm doing what I can n.n' [With help of some web-traductors =P]

Let me tell my story: [Or just skip this paragraph]
One day, my role's group brought by mistake the Warhammer 6º Edition Rulebook xD...
This happen long ago, in the October of 2004... And three of us decided to start playing Warhammer =)
On December we selected the Armys: Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins and Skaven for me =)
I've writed my Clan's History, Background, every Hero/Lord history and drawed some of them xD My head was full of rats... To the point that I am raising Pet-Rats =$
But, without a financial support, I can't complete my Army quickly =(
One by one, I've achieved each tipe unit and now I have all the necesary =)

So.. I've thinking A LOT about my army in all this years xD I've do and undo my army list a million times xD
Now I have 2 sketchs of my possibles list... One with my Warlord, and other with my Gray Seer...

I've took a lot of tips from the UnderEmpire =) but, I'll be glad if you, experienced Rat-Commanders [Or at least more than I am], can rate my armies ._.
So I can Crush that Green-things and that Fat Bearded-things >D

[Puff.. Write this was a lot of time xD]


------------------------------------------Klawk's Horde - 2000 Pts
1 Klawk TresPatas (Klawk ThreePaws, Warlord) @ 193 Pts
General; Shield
Espada Arrasadora [Magic Sword = STR +2]
Warpstone Armor
Warpstone Amulet

1 RatSpark (Ratspark, Warlock Engineer) @ 135 Pts
Warp Blades, Warp Energy Condenser, Warp Power Acummulator
Storm Deamon
Dispel Scroll

1 Ishkik PataRápida (Ishkik SwitfPaw, Assassin) @ 155 Pts
Warpstone Shurikens

24 StormVermin @ 305 Pts
Halberd; Heavy Armor; Standard Bearer; Musician
Banner of the Swarm
1 Fang Leader
1 Rattling Gun

30 Clanrat @ 225 Pts
Light Armor; Shield; Standard Bearer, Musician
1 Rattling Gun

30 Clanrat @ 225 Pts
Light Armor; Shield; Standard Bearer, Musician
1 Rattling Gun

5 Night Runners @ 25 Pts

20 Slaves @ 40 Pts

20 Slaves @ 40 Pts

6 Poisoned Wind Globadiers @ 60 Pts

19 Plague Monks @ 210 Pts
2º Weapon; Standard Bearer, Musician
Banner of Burning Hatred
1 Plague Deacon

5 Warplock Jezzails @ 100 Pts

6 Gutter Runners Tunneling Team @ 102 Pts
2º Weapon with Poison

5 Plague Censer Bearers @ 85 Pts

1 Warp-Lightning Cannon @ 100 Pts

Casting Pool: 4
Dispel Pool: 3
Models in Army: 179
Total Cost: 2000


------------------------------------------Rattenvoer's Horde - 2000 Pts
1 Rattenvoer el Infame (Rattenvoer the Infamous, Gray Seer) @ 285 Pts
General;
Warpstone Amulet
Eye of Horned Rat

1 Icklock (Ratspark, Warlock Engineer) @ 135 Pts
Warp Blades, Warp Energy Condenser, Warp Power Acummulator
Storm Deamon
Dispel Scroll

1 Ishkik PataRápida (Ishkik SwitfPaw, Assassin) @ 155 Pts
Warpstone Shurikens

29 StormVermin @ 345 Pts
Halberd; Heavy Armor; Standard Bearer; Musician
Banner of the Swarm
1 Fang Leader
1 Rattling Gun

30 Clanrat @ 225 Pts
Light Armor; Shield; Standard Bearer, Musician
1 Rattling Gun

30 Clanrat @ 225 Pts
Light Armor; Shield; Standard Bearer, Musician
1 Rattling Gun @

21 Slaves @ 42 Pts

21 Slaves @ 42 Pts

18 Giant Rat Pack @ 90 Pts

6 Warplock Jezzails @ 120 Pts

5 Gutter Runners Tunneling Team @ 85 Pts
2º Weapon with Poison

3 Ogre Rats @ 150 Pts

1 Warp-Lightning Cannon @ 100 Pts

Casting Pool: 8
Dispel Pool: 5
Models in Army: 177
Total Cost: 1999

Detailed pointcosts removed ~ Morgoth
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Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell
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Morgoth
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Bienvenidos a los túneles
(Your english is way better than my spanish)

It is interesting to read some spanish translations of skaven-related words
i.e. PataRápida ;)

I have to tell you, that in order to respect the copyright of GW, we are not allowed to post detailed pointcosts, but just the totals of units/characters.

If you haven't read the forum rules :
http://underempire.net/index.php?showtopic=10394
or the FAQ :
http://underempire.net/index.php?showtopic=24829

I most friendly advice you to do it. :pmaster:
Actually there is a lot of good stuff hidden there.

However I am not the best armybuilder, but it is nice to see you including assassins and other Eshin troops. They are fun to use.
(Just mentioning it, before others tell you that PataRápida is too expensive ;) )
Do visit us at the dark side :ph43r:
http://underempire.net/index.php?showforum=1
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Kaz!o


I would choose first one. But I would also make some changes. First of all I would drop:
-number Clanrats to 25
-Assasin

I think another unit of 25 Clanrats would be suitable for 2000 pts army. Also I think there is not enough Night Runners in Your army. If you have only one mage in army he should has more deffensive equipment so drop Demon Storm and get another Dispel Scroll. If your enemy have some mages You won't have any chance to make any spell worked so deffensive mage IMO be better.

Equipment of Warlord is also I think not as good as it could be. For better option look at this army list LINK

Greetings

EDIT ooo and also change banner in Stormvermin unit. It should be War banner IMO ;)
Sorry for my bad English :(
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Cradwel DienteRojo
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@Morgoth
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Bienvenidos a los túneles
(Your english is way better than my spanish)

Don't think that... This post take me hours in complete xD

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It is interesting to read some spanish translations of skaven-related words
i.e. PataRápida  ;)

I don't know how sounds an English-Skaven.. But I love their reduced vocabulary calling everything "~thing" xD
But... In spanish "Green-Thing" is "Cosa-Verde", "Dead-Thing" is "Cosa-Muerta" and so on... It Doesn't change completely... But the Orcs have a complete new vocabulary... like a magic object called "Mejor cachivache pa'l que manda" or "Lanza Pinchoz" or "Pinchapuercos de Porko"... xD
And personally, we call the Orc's Boar like "Chancho", an Argentine expression for "Pig" =P

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I have to tell you, that in order to respect the copyright of GW, we are not allowed to post detailed pointcosts, but just the totals of units/characters.

If you haven't read the forum rules :
http://underempire.net/index.php?showtopic=10394
or the FAQ :
http://underempire.net/index.php?showtopic=24829

I most friendly advice you to do it.  :pmaster:
Actually there is a lot of good stuff hidden there.

Oops =( I'm very sorry ._.
I've already read the rules and the FAQ... But in the task of translating all the names of the units I forgot it...

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However I am not the best armybuilder, but it is nice to see you including assassins and other Eshin troops. They are fun to use.
(Just mentioning it, before others tell you that PataRápida is too expensive  ;) )
Do visit us at the dark side  :ph43r:
http://underempire.net/index.php?showforum=1

Yes =) I love the Assassin... And my PataRápida over all xD
Maybe he's a lot of points that could cover a weakness of my Army... And it's only 1 vulnerable miniature... But, it grants me a good and quick fighter who when is hide it plays with my opponent's mind... :ph43r:
Maybe I'm wrong and it's worthless... But I say it again.. I'm a novice who never played asking advice :(
Someday I'll try another character or units for that points and tell what happen ._.

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@Kaz!o
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I would choose first one. But I would also make some changes. First of all I would drop:
-number Clanrats to 25
-Assasin

Mmm... Originally, the number of Clan Rats was 25 with Spears... I've thought that with 30 with Swords will be fine because I can get a more wide unit to with more attacks and more resistant to casualties... In your experience in 2K games, is 25 rats have a chance to make a difference? If this is so, then may choose it to reduce costs...
And the Assassin... I simply like it =$

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I think another unit of 25 Clanrats would be suitable for 2000 pts army. Also I think there is not enough Night Runners in Your army. If you have only one mage in army he should has more deffensive equipment so drop Demon Storm and get another Dispel Scroll. If your enemy have some mages You won't have any chance to make any spell worked so deffensive mage IMO be better.

If I can do some space, I like the idea of some more Clan Rats... The Night Runners are cheap, so they can easily fit in the list... But I have to drop something for this 2... [Don't look to my PataRápida Assassin!!! =$ =P]
In the other hand... Is worth to drop the Daemon for a One-Use Dispel Scroll? Sincerely I never thought about the real value of the DS... Maybe it's because I never suffered by the enemy's magic... I will bear it in mind...

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Equipment of Warlord is also I think not as good as it could be. For better option look at this army list LINK

Mmm.. I've thought to give my Klawk TresPatas [The Warlord] a good salvation to protect him... So I focused to give him the Warpstone Amulet and the Warpstone Armor+Shield to make him harder to kill... That sword is what the few remaining points could buy xD

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EDIT ooo and also change banner in Stormvermin unit. It should be War banner IMO ;)

Mmm.. That's Ok... The War Banner always give the +1 CR... Instead, the Banner of the Swarm versus Orcs&Goblins can be useless...
[By the way... What's IMO? =P]

So... Now I will think on how enhance my list with this tips... But later because I'm at the "work" =P

Thanks and Squeaks to all! =)

PD: Sorry for the Ultra-Giant post xD
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Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell
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Kaz!o


IMO = in my opinion :)

The way You think about getting wider Clanrat unit is good, but from my experience I realised that "the more skaven on table the more fun game is" (I don't know if I used good phrase) :)
Sorry for my bad English :(
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Both lists are good, I would recommend the first list for the warlord's superior leadership.

A few suggestions for the first list:

That magic sword is over-priced, give your warlord a great weapon for a fraction of the cost. Certainly keep the warp stone amulet, and the warpstone armor is good as well.

You do not need so many ratling guns, 2 is plenty. Use those extra 60 points for another unit of slaves.

Warbanner would be better for your stormvermin.

Keep the clanrats at 30 strong, units of 25 are too small.

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Cradwel DienteRojo
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OFF: Again.. Sorry my poor english xD
Yesterday I started my english lessons =)

ON: After some weeks I'm back =)

Now.. I've refined both of my lists.. And this what I've got =)
This time I've deleted the individual's and the unit's cost =P


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1 Klawk TresPatas (Warlord)
General + Shield
Desolate Sword + Warpstone Armor + Warpstone Amulet <-- Maybe I should reconsider when start to play =P

1 RatSpark (Warlock Engineer)
Warp Blades + Warp Energy Condenser + Warp Power Acummulator
Storm Deamon + Dispel Scroll

1 Ishkik PataRápida (Assassin)
Warpstone Shurikens

24 StormVermin
1 Fang Leader
Halberd + Heavy Armor + Standard Bearer + Musician
Warbanner

30 Clanrat
Light Armor + Shield + Standard Bearer + Musician
1 Rattling Gun

30 Clanrat
Light Armor + Shield + Standard Bearer + Musician
1 Rattling Gun

5 Night Runners

5 Night Runners

20 Slaves

21 Slaves

18 Giant Rat Packs <-- Or drop and get +5 Poison Wind Globadier +2 Jezzail for more Firepower/Anti-Heavy Guys [Or any combination for 90 points]

20 Plague Monks
2º Weapon + Standard Bearer + Musician
Banner of Burning Hatred

5 Warplock Jezzails

5 Gutter Runners Tunneling Team
2º Weapon with Poison

5 Plague Censer Bearers

1 Warp-Lightning Cannon

Casting Pool: 4
Dispel Pool: 3
Models in Army: 198
Total Cost: 2000


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1 Rattenvoer el Infame (Gray Seer)
General
Warpstone Amulet + Eye of Horned Rat

1 Icklock (Warlock Engineer)
Warp Blades + Warp Energy Condenser + Warp Power Acummulator
Storm Deamon + Dispel Scroll

1 Ishkik PataRápida (Assassin)
Warpstone Shurikens

25 StormVermin
Halberd + Heavy Armor + Shield + Standard Bearer + Musician
Warbanner

30 Clanrat
1 Rattling Gun
Light Armor + Shield + Standard Bearer + Musician

30 Clanrat
1 Rattling Gun
Light Armor + Shield + Standard Bearer + Musician

20 Slaves

20 Slaves

5 Nightrunners

12 Giant Rat Pack

12 Giant Rat Pack <-- Or drop and get +4 Poison Wind Globadier +1 Jezzail for more Firepower/Anti-Heavy Guys [Or any combination for 60 points]

5 Warplock Jezzails

5 Gutter Runners Tunneling Team
2º Weapon with Poison

4 Ogre Rats

1 Warp-Lightning Cannon

Casting Pool: 8
Dispel Pool: 5
Models in Army: 182
Total Cost: 2000
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What do you think? =) I like them :>

Maybe I start using the Warlord's List.. Because the Magic phase is more little... Until I get into the Game's Rhythm... I think that it should be more easy...

My first opponent will be my Friend, who have an Orcs & Goblins Army... He has a Black Orc Kaudillo [I don't know the English name =P] and a Night Goblin Chaman... Also, the units are very big... 40 Night Goblins.. 30 Orc Boyz... 30 Savage Orcs... 15 Boars and so on... A few units... But all in a heavy quantity =P
He told me that it's only tactic it's to go straight to fight my rats... He think that he can win by Brute Force... But I will try to use some tricky movements that I've read here :>

So... Any more advice from the Veteran Warlords? =) Shall I pray to the Horned Rat the night before the battle? Should I send some Assassins to get rid of the Black Orc Kaudillo? Which nasty disease should I unleash to punish the weak troops? :>

A million thanks to everybody =)
I won't take no prisoners, won't spare no lives
Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell
I'm gonna get you, Satan get you


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Both lists are excellent. I would recommend using the warlord list as it provides better leadership.

A few suggestions for the first list:

With your warlord, the desolate blade is not an effective weapon for its point cost, take a great weapon or weeping blades instead.

Since you only have one warlock engineer, the Accumulator is unnecessary because the warlock is unable to use the extra dice it provides. Use the 15 points to get more stormvermin.

Hope this helps.
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