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| Morgoth | 16th January 2008 - 02:18 PM Post #16 |
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Perhaps we could split here: Measuring with your eyes, comparing to items of known length standing on the table. Legal Using ANYTHING that you place on the table or just above in order to measure distance. Illegal = cheating If comparing isn't legal, then I'm sorry Boda and Zav. Your skills at comparing blocks of clannies has just banned you from using anything but skirmishers on the battlefield. GO Eshin UCoD :ph43r:
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| bakfire the experimenter | 16th January 2008 - 02:32 PM Post #17 |
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there are ways of better estimating range if you are aware of them but becareful how you use them. i.e plague monks - unless im trying to avoid a complusary charge into a unit i never decalre a charge because if they are in range the have to charge in the complusary movement turn (simple tactic im sure every skaven player uses - why commit yourself to the charge if you dont have to) - but to see if they are in range you have to measure the distance. i try where ever possible to get some impartial to check these ranges without me seeing as i dont want an unfair advantage (same for any frenzied units) as this then gives you a range indication to nearby units for spells and guess range weapons. you can do this in other phases as well i.e measure the range for a spell, but my real problem is people (normally with guess range weapons) that insist on measuring every thing even if im 8" away and they have 24" range - i know they are just making mental notes for their guess range weapons. i only measure if there is a genuine doubt over the range and only then after talking to my opponent to see if they have doubts - otherwise it becomes far to mecahnical - i have walked away from a game when a player measured distance to a character 2" away for a 24" spell and then surprisingly landed a cannon ball on his head in the shooting phase (he did the math - i moved my wizard 6" away from the cannon and the character is 2" away from the wizard so i guess 8") my point is that it is possible if you think about it well enough to take the most of the guess out of guess range weapons so why premeasure? the only thing you cant do it with is charges but hey if you can remember the range from last turn and take into account the units movement then you probably have it anyway, you just need to be more observant during the game. rant over... for now! |
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| Niz'tizi'ihack | 16th January 2008 - 02:55 PM Post #18 |
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So what your basically saying is that building a lazer measuring device into your cannon is illegal?
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| Rusty Tincanne | 16th January 2008 - 03:11 PM Post #19 |
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...you can still call me Rusty Tincanne if you want, though.
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Thank you all so much for confirming my suspicions. Let me state here and now that I did this in one game in one turn, and realized that it was questionable, and have since stopped doing it. So call off the assassins, please! I just wanted to know that I wasn't being too cautious. Thanks for the tips on getting better at guessing. Using PM blocks will be useful, as is imagining a sheet of standard paper. I don't see myself throwing dice on a table repeatedly (and guessing and measuring distances) any time soon. Maybe someday, though. @ Bakfire: those are interesting points. I never thought about people actually doing the math that way. Because I play a BCoN, I just measured distances so that I wasn't skipping any compulsory charges. It seemed the honest thing to do. I guess I'll just discuss things more w/my oppo's and measure when things are in question. Thanks to everyone for their input! |
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| Vermitt Stain | 16th January 2008 - 06:34 PM Post #20 |
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what i sometimes do is becuase i know the board is 48inch and we can set up 12inch on i normaly and i guess alot of other people(exluding long ranged wepons but i make sure i rember how far they are on and do the same thing) do is set up the full distance so that means there is a 24inch gap beetween us say i march forwards that know only 14 and if he maches its 6(saying they have a 4inch move) and i guess you get the picture so in a way it all just becomes a mathmatical problem.... great... |
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| General Vorg | 17th January 2008 - 02:27 AM Post #21 |
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I guess THATS not cheating, thats math. I'd love to see you bring in a calculator and od the calculations. Youd get odd looks, but i dont think youd be called a cheater. I do not play with premeasuring, but if my opponant is with a half inch of my unit, i let it slide, comes out to a much more relaxed type of game squeeks |
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| Rubberchrist | 17th January 2008 - 04:24 AM Post #22 |
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Shennanigans are out of the question!
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Giving a little bit really does go a long way towards a fun game, right alongside congratulating good rolls for your opponent and laughing at your own bad rolls (vital for a skaven player). Of course, most of the people I play are 30 years old or older, and have long since stopped caring about much beyond simply playing. -R |
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| Skavenblight | 17th January 2008 - 06:34 PM Post #23 |
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Yeah,back home my friends used to allow it, becaue I think the old rulebook might ave specified a ruler of some kind as premeasuring. When I got to Toronto and wnt into the GW there I got called on it, I was much embarassed :unsure:. However, since then I seem to have gotten pretty good at it, I play a khemri army as well and generally i'm with half an inch or so, though I do seem to get very lucky gessing at lone characters, you'd be suprised how many rocks I've dropped on lone mages (though there was this one time that a shot scattered away from a target and dropped on a damsel's head, you should have seen the look on the players face :P).
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| Mutator | 24th January 2008 - 05:20 AM Post #24 |
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For most of us, if you had to ask then it was probably frowned upon.
I'd be unlikely to. That is a pretty big distance. Measuring is absolute - 10 inches is 10 inches, not 10.5 inches. Of course, it stands to reason that if there is any doubt due to funny angles, wheels, intervening objects making measurement difficult and all that sort of stuff then being generous is fine. But on a flat, featureless area of table, with a straight line charge, half an inch is way out. IMO
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| General Vorg | 24th January 2008 - 05:27 PM Post #25 |
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Well Id agree with you if I was at a GW, but home or a friends, why start an argument? If they say they didnt make it (which they usually wont ) then they didnt make it. I'm not a saint, I'm Vorgsqueeks |
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| Mutator | 24th January 2008 - 11:54 PM Post #26 |
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Fair enough. If they say it is out, it is out. If they say it is in, it is in. But if it is out and they just look at you hopefully, then you just look back, saying nothing. Maybe shrug. Then they usually tell you whether it is in or out ![]() Of course, if they really want it, then you let them have it, but you dont need to go around saying "close enough, move em up" if they havent actually asked you to. None of the scenarios I've described lead to arguments. |
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| General Vorg | 25th January 2008 - 01:55 AM Post #27 |
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I can just imagine that... Enemy: Crap, my zombies are two inches away Me: Let em through, I can barely see space between the units Enemy:...what? Me: I'm just playing fair, push em undead into combat! Enemy:... two inches- Me: And those dire wolves, theyre like what - four inches? Nothing! Flank my clannies! Do it! Do it! ![]() squeeks |
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| scrivener | 25th January 2008 - 02:15 AM Post #28 |
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Haha, yeah. You'd just freak your opponent out so much he'll never declare a charge on you ever again. |
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| SneakyRodent | 25th January 2008 - 08:25 AM Post #29 |
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That's the Skaven way....always convince your opponent you are plotting something even if in reality your mind is a complete void
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| Mutator | 27th January 2008 - 08:40 PM Post #30 |
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That is an established tactic. I practice it frequently, myself. It is called "I dont know what the hell I'm doing so you wont either"
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