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| Rusty Tincanne | 16th January 2008 - 02:36 AM Post #1 |
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I know it is illegal to take out a tape measure to find distances between troops, both for charging and estimating your oppo's charge ability. But here is the question: knowing that the distance between my outstretched thumb and pinky is very close to 8", is it illegal to go around measuring distances this way? I have been dwelling on this for a while now, and I feel like it is cheating but am unsure. If I only find the 8" mark and estimate everything above that, is that any better? Thanks all. |
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| scrivener | 16th January 2008 - 03:22 AM Post #2 |
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I think we're only supposed to gauge the distance by eye. Getting a distance by applying any form of measuring device on the table is about the same as using a tape measure, and I think this does include fingers. It's like those fellas who measure their arms and then seem to do a lot of pointing around the table shortly before shooting their stone-thrower :P. On the other hand, if you were to tattoo a series of lines along your forearm set at regular intervals of coincidentally an inch apart, you should be allowed to use your arms as a ruler simply out of respect for your dedication to the game...
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| Sebrent | 16th January 2008 - 03:58 AM Post #3 |
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Yes, it's cheating. I'd cast plague on you, but since you're pestilens, you already have it
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| aa7 | 16th January 2008 - 04:00 AM Post #4 |
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we wont go into people who tattoo inch wide segregations onto their arms here on this forum but lets just say it's not usually done as a mark of respect for anything let alone warhammer oh, and also measuring with anything other than your eye is cheating and against the spirit of the game. The best way to get better at guessing how far things are apart is to practice with a couple of dice, knuckle bones or anything similar. Put them both in your hand and toss them onto the tabletop. Now try and guess as accurately as possible the distance between the dice/coins or whatever you used. Guess then measure and see how close you where. After a while it will become second nature to estimate within half an inch to an inch the distances you need and this is not cheating at all but will give you a major advantage over the opponent who is not as acurate at guessing ranges etc. Good luck and have fun above all else but DONT cheat and ruin it for your opponent as well. |
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| Rubberchrist | 16th January 2008 - 04:32 AM Post #5 |
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Shennanigans are out of the question!
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I am ok with measuring anything, but only if you are ok with that being your target, of charge, shooting or rulebook to the head.... If someone measures and then does NOT do the suggested action, they get fed to bonkers here... *snarl* -R |
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| Queetik | 16th January 2008 - 04:38 AM Post #6 |
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It's cheating. Measuring is measuring, no matter what device is used. |
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| scrivener | 16th January 2008 - 04:52 AM Post #7 |
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Did I just make a reference to some sort of gang or prison tattoo insignia?
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| Madthing | 16th January 2008 - 07:15 AM Post #8 |
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Just wondering, outside of weapons that require an actual guessing of range, would the game become significantly different should both players be allowed to premeasure? Certainly, trying to trick opponents with units just out of charge range would be impossible, but I wonder about the sportsmanship of such tactics... |
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| Niz'tizi'ihack | 16th January 2008 - 07:34 AM Post #9 |
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I've played Epic both ways (it's down to the gamers to decide how they play it)... Both are fun. I prefer playing without premeasuring. With Premeasuring, you can say to the opponent 'This unit is stopping at 8.5" away from your unit so you can't charge me' Which means you don't in general get arguments about charges just being in or out. So in some ways it's much more relaxed. |
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| Orcsbain | 16th January 2008 - 08:18 AM Post #10 |
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is it cheating? YES! nuff said |
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| scrivener | 16th January 2008 - 11:34 AM Post #11 |
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The lack of premeasuring reflects real life warfare. What soldier knows for certain that he has just stopped out of range of that crossbow? Which archer can tell exactly how far away is his target, and whether this is exactly within the range of the bow he is going to fire? I think allowing premeasuring makes the game too mechanical. |
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| SneakyRodent | 16th January 2008 - 11:53 AM Post #12 |
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Yep, I'd have to concur that it is cheating as you are still using a measuring device (in this case part of your body). I've always found that as long as you know the dimensions of the table you are playing on, measured before scenery is even placed (otherwise you could use trees/buildings etc as points of reference during the game itself) then your own intrinsic 'mental ruler' will not let you down. |
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| Bodacious | 16th January 2008 - 12:07 PM Post #13 |
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Then you've never observed my 'mental ruler' .I stop short of charges, stop just inside my opponents charge range and wrongly estimate spell ranges all the time. Let's just say there's a reason I don't play cannons and mortars in my empire army .What I'm going to try from now on is to use those fixed distances already on the table to improve my mental estimates. My clanrat regiments are 5 deep so I can always know for sure that something is around 10" if I think I could fit 2 clanrat units in there. For spell ranges.. tables are always 48" in depth, so I should always be able to estimate warp-lightning if I can guess whether it's half the table. Stuff like this can always help. |
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| Zavratatar | 16th January 2008 - 01:37 PM Post #14 |
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Heh, I do the same thing with my clanrat blocks... And the mages. Clever rat, Bod. I just assume that my warplightningcannon is always in range. ![]() As for the real topic, it's quite positively cheating, no matter if you're using your fingers, arm, foot, or anything... else you happen to know to be 8" long.
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| hakoMike | 16th January 2008 - 02:09 PM Post #15 |
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If premeasuring is not allowed, then any method of premeasuring is poor form. For visual estimation I try to imagine a regular 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper. The size of a sheet of paper is so ingrained in my mind that I can normally superimpose it over whatever I'm looking at. Anything over 24" and I'm pretty lost though. |
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