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| Tweet Topic Started: 7th January 2008 - 03:27 PM (266 Views) | |
| Raddaatt | 7th January 2008 - 03:27 PM Post #1 |
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Clanrat
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Or, more accuratly, how? Facing one oponent, my brother, who loves chariots. 3 to 4 in 2k, and one or two dragons. Which is 'ulp', how do I do this? The rest of the ramy consists of though stuff, like white lions (ung), swordmasters (arg), and loads of unbreakable stuff. The main problem when facing these guys: the clanrat core units don't stand a change. If they are charged by a lone chariot, no support, they are dead. There 's a lot of those to handle. Combined with the dragon my skaven are outmanouvred easily, terrorised, and flattened without much :pmaster:. I am new to skaven, and don't know how to play this army just yet. But any advice is welcome! (I am a greenskin veteran, been playing, sort of, for more than 15 years.)I'll pay whoever gives me the tactical advantage a monthly 'gift' of 100 pounds of pure warpstone! |
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| Rubberchrist | 7th January 2008 - 04:52 PM Post #2 |
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Shennanigans are out of the question!
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Best I can say is use 3 blocks each of 30 rats and 20 slaves. use the slaves to catch his chariots. Your slaves need to be turned so that WHEN the chariots evaporate your slaves into so much red mist, they overrun at odd angles and your clanrats can side-charge them. Easier said than done, i know. All the successes I've had with the rats were doing just that.. and the shooting phase of course. -R |
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| RE.Lee | 7th January 2008 - 04:59 PM Post #3 |
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Rat Field Surgeon
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A single Tiranoc chariot will cause around 3,25 wounds on the charge - not even close to breaking a unit of clanrats of decent size. Even Slaves would hold. Perhaps you're nor using big enough units? Or are you talking about WL chariots? Elven elites are very strong indeed, but expensive and vulnerable at the same time - not a very good mix and definately a juicy target for Skaven shooting and magic. They have, T3, low armour and shooting them is exactly what Skaven would do. Feeding expendable troops to them is also an option - with M5 they won't be able to do much if you sacrifice a few units of slaves or night runners. Fighting them is never advisable - unless you have a really good idea what you're doing (like seting up a flank charge with a Doomwheel). Dragons are a pain. The terror tests, the flank charges... I use a horde led by a Seer on a Screaming Bell and usually half of my horde is immune to psychology so that is one anwser. Nailing him while you still have the Ld bonus and a warlord nearby is another solution. Killing them should involve, once again, shooting and magic, or you could just challenge the lord with a clanrat champion, get killed and still at least draw if he doesn't get over 5 kills (even if he does you should pass and Ld tests if you were clever wnough to take a big unit). Feeding him with other character is also acceptable - a chieftain with a Cautious Shield and Warpstone Amulet should limit the amounts of wound so much that you have a chance of winning, an even breaking the beast! What "unbreakable stuff" does he have? Stubborn WL? Well, its not that you could force them to break anyway ![]() Some more advice: - Magic can be a problem, HE have superb magic defence and some nice support spells. - Spearmen are now very tough, and suprisingly cheap, I'd be more afraid of these regular troops than the shiny elites. - Dragon Princes are only a bit slower, but got some serious hitting power - be very afraid if they every charge you! Hope this helped! |
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| Raddaatt | 7th January 2008 - 09:21 PM Post #4 |
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Clanrat
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Spearmen, if made into a large enough unit, are still more expensive than say, 12 swordmasters. A block of rats on their own can handle them, most of the time. The problem with chariots is that they are cheap, which goes a long way. Slaves are cheaper, yes, but only by a bit. Besides, one is easy, three or four is hard, four combined with a dragon is, so far, impossible. You can only shoot that much. He has almost as many units as I do, and the rats only coult for so much, because there's a lot of units that can simply ignore them. The lion chariots are monsters. Some say they aren't that much better than the tyranoc variety, but they will crumble the battle line in no time. Magic is not an option, I unless you're willing to bind the entire cast of characters to casting magic. I should get myself a unit of 10 jezzails, the rest just doesn't have the range to cope. (Then, of course, I'll have to wait for a while, since I just spend a small fortune on these new rats... :lol: ) The downside is, these guys only blast one or two things, IF you're lucky, and then run of. Andd it gives your oponent an easily breakable unit to focus on. Well, experience will come. So far, I must say, the rats are hard to master, but easily a better army than my old night goblin army. This time I have more controle over my troops, which is a welcome change.
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| bakfire the experimenter | 7th January 2008 - 10:28 PM Post #5 |
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graduate of the school for dangerous inventions
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my experience against the high panzies with chariots, wl's and dragons has taught me a few things... 1) put slaves in their path, when the charge the slaves, flee - they might get away but if not if you position things right the clan rats can charge 2) storm banner - grounds flyers as well as giving -2 to hit and war machines having to roll 4 plus first before they can shoot. 3)warp lightning cannon - take out the dragon and chariots. 4) plague censer bearers - the gas attack goes before impact hits even if you are charged 5)PWG always wound on a 4+, if you keep them near some cover you can flee and bog the enemy down if they charge you. 6)assassin with bands of power will make a mess of most things - if you hide him in a unit and reveal him when they are charge he gains the always strikes first rule so it then goes down to inititive where the assassin should win my normal tactic is to shoot the fast movers first, a couple of warp lightnings and a WLC will normally do fairly well |
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| Niz'tizi'ihack | 7th January 2008 - 10:37 PM Post #6 |
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Mad Harbringer of Mutation
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I also quite like Plague Censer Bearers, They strike before combat and at T3 will kill half the enemies front rank before they get a chance to strike. MUTATE: Oops Bakfire already mentioned them... I'll mention them again. Because their worth it (But probably don't wash their fur in Loriel, unlike high pansies) Jezails work OK too. They can give a Dragon quite a headache in the morning |
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| pilgrim2715 | 8th January 2008 - 04:57 AM Post #7 |
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Doomwheel Driver
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High Elves certainly have some formidable troops, however they are relatively easy to defeat with Skaven. Make sure you take large units of Clanrats. In 2000 points 4 or 5 units of 30 clanrats would be a good choice, with the maximum number of slave units and a few units of Giant Rats to use as flankers. With the chariot, as long as you do not let it charge the flank, you will be able to beat it through combat resolution. With the High Elf elite units, whittle them down with shooting and magic (easy with t3 and 5+ armor save) and charge with an overwhelming amount of combat resolution. And as Lee said, never underestimate the Spear men, fight in three ranks and ASF is not a good combination for Skaven. Never charge in the front unless the unit is severely depleted. |
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But any advice is welcome! (I am a greenskin veteran, been playing, sort of, for more than 15 years.)




