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| Chieftain Cazgar | 16th December 2007 - 09:18 AM Post #16 |
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i've played against them 4 times so far i think, not with skaven (it takes too long to deploy them) but with my slaaneshi beasts (which are a lot less powerful than skaven) and my vamps. not lost yet (2 masacres, 1 major and 1 game we didn't finish, but was a draw (not to mention it was a HE DE combi army vs me (don't ask about the fluff) and it was the DE that had actually killed anything :rolleyes: ) dragon mages seem peck to me, their dragons arn't that good in combat, but you feel obliged to charge it in cause it's a dragon. i spent a game playing cat and mouse with it with my exalted daemon, he got fed up of that, turned to face me, i dispelled sword of rhuin, charged in, killed the mage (due to my own ASF) dragon didn't do anything, and then it broke and i ran it down. later on he charged it at my black knights, killed 1 (just dispell sword of rhuin on the turn he's charged/you're charging) i killed the mage and then ran him down again. i'll admit he wasn't using the dragon very well, but still, i'd say it was like an exalted daemon. expensive, is meant to fight but isn't that great in combat, and can fly. except for he's a large target, so we can shoot at him more easily. and how many people do you know that complain about exalted daemons/daemon princes? (other than HE that find it preposterous that MoS on a daemon makes them ASF, as if there was a unit that could do it before them :rolleyes: ) |
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| Vermitt Stain | 16th December 2007 - 01:11 PM Post #17 |
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Brain: There's only one ride that interests me - the incredible thrill ride of taking over the world! Pinky: Mmm, I think there's a height requirement for that ride.
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when i played a high elf guy i just shot his dragon with jezzails it died in turn two and that was with 8 jezzails. alos i ended up having supior shooting so he was tringing to get in to combat and because of ASF i decided to actully take spears let him charge and then i was just taking guys off with my clanrats and with outnumber and ranks he just could'nt take it and he broke. it was a major victory in the end to me as my gutter runners just died. |
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| Snik-Dead | 16th December 2007 - 04:54 PM Post #18 |
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Angry Bear-Man.
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Thinking on this... Clan Pestilens has an excellent way to deal with these accursed ASF elf-things. Plague Censer Bearers distribute Impact hits as well, and against Toughness 3 Elf-things...
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| More_Queek | 16th December 2007 - 06:11 PM Post #19 |
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Elf things die die quick quick! I have played 5 times with a friend who owns a HE army and well i have massacred all times, and he is a really good player(with his tomb kings he has won some torneys and stuf) the thing is that skaven can with no effort kill T3 things, being the Plague spell the nemesis of all elves(in one game plague killed 10 sword masters, 11 white lions, 6 phoenix) so for me elves really are a bonus army(at least in torneys ), the dragon does not scare me(remember the elf merc? my friend always used 2 dragons at 2k)So fellow Ratmen remember to use some ratlings some wicked spells and some slaves as bait^^ |
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| Sid | 16th December 2007 - 07:49 PM Post #20 |
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i played a HE in the big battle (not ofical listing just for fun game) and i have to say lion chariots dont scare me, rattling gun + lion chariots = BBBOOOOOMMM! (my oponent used 18 of them )the dragon mage was very suseptable to miscasting (or atleast on the first turn) and he exploded himself (i laughed) so i dont know about them. the phonix gaurd, yes they have a save whooptydoo other than that they are still mortal. warplightning can do serious damage to them, i killed 4 a turn (making around 7 or 8 hits a turn) the main thing is dont fight them in CC they will beat you, instead try somthing else, thats all thats relivant that he used but remember that aim of the game isnt winning but having fun, and it is more fun to loose and find a new way to do things, than to loose and whine |
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| Aderashi | 18th December 2007 - 03:21 PM Post #21 |
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ok I have to give in that is was not fair to compare them to the DE. It just so happened that I am busy making my dark elf army and I did some battles and such (which were not to bad). And I know the stats and ability's of these guys. With that in mind (on a late evening ) I opened the new HE army book. So yea normally I would not consider them as overpowered.. It just so happened that the DE army book was in the back of my head..I also know that they should not be such a great problem to the skaven swarm (bait and flee ect) and I also know that these guy's are still T3 models (most of the time). (I might have exaggerated a bit ). |
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| Tysp | 19th December 2007 - 12:03 AM Post #22 |
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You mean just like Hellish Vigor? I know! Isn't it great? :rolleyes: But not every unit can be equipped with great weapons. Only two in fact, which are both special, so its really not so bad. At least they can't field an entire army like that. And now for more unrelated thoughts...
Yea, and my friend just joined Warhammer in time to snatch them up right as they were released. I'm glad too, the old ones (pun hehe) are nothing in comparison to the new models.
That really was a funny article, though most of the things in it were more common sense. Still, I learned a thing or two, but that gunline thing made me shake my head in remembrance of some of my latest battles involving a lot of guns and a lot of dead Skaven. |
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| Vermitt Stain | 19th December 2007 - 05:12 PM Post #23 |
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Brain: There's only one ride that interests me - the incredible thrill ride of taking over the world! Pinky: Mmm, I think there's a height requirement for that ride.
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sorry 18 is this guy sane? |
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| Mormeguil | 20th December 2007 - 04:49 AM Post #24 |
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To use 18 white lion chariots you would need to be playing a 14 000 pts game no. Unless he gets +2 special by 1000 pts so it would be a 8 000 pts game. Anyway, today i tried to help my friend making an high elf list that could face pretty much anything and it's really annoying. You can't fit everything you want at 2000 pts. So far the best way seems to be keeping units cheap and make full use of the always strike first of the hero to take care of stronger units. |
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| Blood Vixen | 20th December 2007 - 01:23 PM Post #25 |
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All hail the Age of Skaven
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Strike first relly isnt as beneficial as everyone says seriously basic elf had I5 to begin with sword masters struck in I order and had I6 only Slannesh and other elves (some skaven) are relly affected by the strike first everything else had lower I anyway so theyd be striking after regardless of hitting first the only thing that has changed for all armys is when its a charge which again high elves? high mobility? i think they would be getting alot more charges than you would regardless the dragon mages? geuss what there limited to fire lore they dont have the joy of option that the high elf mages are normally used to let alone costing a ton more points double rare slots? ther rare slots were a 2 for 1 deal anyway so theres no change there now -BV your friendly neighbourhood high elf Veteran |
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| tnailor | 23rd December 2007 - 02:33 AM Post #26 |
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I can see the reason that a lot of people think they are very overpowered, and when my friend James (who has a tendency to gloat, no offense to him) told me all about how good they were, I got nervous. But I merely took what I have always taken against his elves and hoped for the best--that is that my jezzails didn't misfire too much, that I didn't need more than 4 dispel scrolls, and that I wasn't going to lose too much stuff. That being said, the army has some SERIOUS disadvantages still--they are still almost always outnumbered, so just make sure you use legitimate tactics with your flank charges, screens, strategic retreats, all that good Skaven stuff. They are much more effective against some armies (HE and VC is a particularly good fight to watch now, as I did during a 3 way battle where I ended up outside most of the conflicts) and they are much much better than they were. However, if the person is using a good army composition, as my friend does, they are certainly not overpowered in my opinion. |
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), the dragon does not scare me(remember the elf merc? my friend always used 2 dragons at 2k)
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) I opened the new HE army book. So yea normally I would not consider them as overpowered.. It just so happened that the DE army book was in the back of my head..
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