| Help me regain my enthusiasm for the game; Or: Why does Vinz dislike WH Fantasy? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 8th October 2007 - 06:49 PM (1,036 Views) | |
| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 8th October 2007 - 06:49 PM Post #1 |
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Last night I've had a chat with Decker_cky and made a comment, for which he said he'd sent DM Mik after me. As I don't believe him, I'd like to use the beginning of this post to poke him and say that I haven't seen my sock drawer move yet. The point is that in the past three years, I've played about ten games of Warhammer Fantasy. One of the main reasons for this is that all the mates I used to play against started with college and moved towards the cities they were to study in, which meant that I'd have to travel about a little over an hour (in general) to visit one for a game of Warhammer. For those members who live in the Netherlands as well, I guess the three words "Connexxion, NS, tram" will serve as enough explanation why I'm not really a fan to do so... Now last year, I've participated in the Fanatic tournament in Leiden, which was a one-day Warhammer tournament and meant my first game(s) of Warhammer Fantasy in a long, LOOOONG time. I had quite some entertaining battles, got to know a couple of people I knew from forums in real life (ey, Mortius? ;)) and had a nice day. So, moving a year forward, we once see the tournament being organized and off course, I sign up as a participant. Unfortunately, the tournament appears to be on a saturday instead of a sunday, which means that I am suddenly faced with the decision to either take a day off from work (since I'm working six days per week) or skip the tournament. Sitting down and thinking about my experience from last year, I suddenly realized that what it meant was playing Warhammer games continuously from 11am in the morning up to 8pm in the evening. Fairly few breaks, a LOT of models to drag along and although it's fun to see some familiar faces, I realized that if I'd go, it would be for the sole purpose to go to the tournament instead of WANTING to go to the tournament. So, therefor, I decided to cancel my place and work a full day instead. The thought that has been bugging me ever since however, is that I have began to dislike Warhammer Fantasy quite a lot. You have to paint a fething lot of models, the tournament scene (in the Netherlands, at least) is quite open to powergaming pricks and everytime I am doing a battle, I have to drag all those models with me. Next to that, a 300-ish page rulebook that I'll never be able to go through completely is absolutely not a fun thing to drag along either, especially when you've already got a couple of templates poking your back the entire trip. Short to say, I have truely lost my enthusiasm for Warhammer Fantasy. So, how should I regain the enthusiasm for the game (and no Mik, a dagger in my back does not count). Greetz |
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| Decker_cky | 8th October 2007 - 07:17 PM Post #2 |
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Honestly, Vince, the heart and soul of warhammer is playing a game some afternoon with some buddies. To take nothing away from tournaments, having a personal gaming group is the most important thing. Just a game here and there. If your really not having fun, I still wouldn't sell your models right away. Your just graduated and settling into work. Who knows where the balance will fall. Tell me you won't sit there sometime in the next year or two and go "Gee...I shouldn't have sold all those models, it wasn't worth it considering all the time I put into them." And then say this..."Skaven Lord Vinshqueek without a skaven army." It sounds wrong to me too. ![]() PS: Now you've alerted Mik...my work is done. |
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| Bodacious | 8th October 2007 - 07:25 PM Post #3 |
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Wow dude ... that would probably make me your polar opposite then .Just to list some things that keep me playing warhammer: I don't participate in the dutch tournament scene (and have no concrete plans to do so), have a great carrying case that I built myself and has room for my entire army + books and templates, am honestly enjoying the painting side of the hobby (many thanks to scar and dema's excellent P&H section for this ) and, above all, have an awesome place to play that's really nearby and has a lot of really cool players/friends of mine to play with.Oh yeah... I also happen to be an admin of the world's best skaven website .So all in all, the solution to your problem is a simple one: Move to Eindhoven! :lol: Seriously though: I'd start by finding a cool group of people to game with. Decker's right: Warhammer ain't no fun unless you have cool people to play with . Don't sell your skaven unless your really think that you won't find a cool group of gamers near you.. ever.Cheers, Bodacious. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 8th October 2007 - 08:00 PM Post #4 |
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Bunny ear says flop
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Boda, you've seen my army at the UE GT and the only painted rank-and-file units were the ones I've done seven years ago, so that ought to give you a decent estimate on how much I like painting. So yes, I guess the two of us are indeed quite the opposites of one another, since I just happen to dislike painting my Warhammer Fantasy Skaven army ever since I bought that Army Deal. (There is just something in a big pile of undercoated clanrats that doesn't stimulate me to sit down and begin painting them...). No sir, I'm definitely not someone who enjoys painting. It's something that I'll always consider to be a 'necessary evil', which is why I'm always listed so low in tournaments due to app. sixty percent of army not being painted. Don't give a frag either, since in the end it is supposed to be a gaming tournament and not a painting contest. (Trust me, the day they make painted armies obligatory in tournaments will be the day that I'll introduce the Skaven winter-camo painting scheme ).However, that still doesn't bring my enthusiasm back... The problem is that my regular gaming buddies (you know, the ones where a game that usually takes about two hours always happen to take six hours, even if you hadn't had dinner at their place yet) simply live so friggin' far away. If I'd had a car and a suitable carrying case, that wouldn't be a problem, but my estimation is that for the next year/ two years, I'll still be travelling by public transport and that neither appeals to me. Finding a gaming group in my region isn't that hard, as I've got two retailer stores about ten kilometres away from where I live (thirty minutes by bus, if I'm lucky). Problem is though that an overwhelming majority always happens to be kids from middle school, who are gaming while I'm still working. I mean, by the time I get home from work and am able to go to that store, they're already closed. So, while it is a possible option, it's just not one that is working too well. Greetz |
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| Mutator | 8th October 2007 - 08:31 PM Post #5 |
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Dont sweat it Vinz, just put the game on hold. Pack your stuff up, and store it. Bring it back out at a later date, when all things warhammer are looking a little more favourable. But dont sell your stuff - you *will* regret it. Later, when you have the time, and a vehicle, you'll be able to consider revisiting old friends and getting regular wargaming up and running again. Alternatively, you may find a new bunch of players with similar expectations of the game. Or you could move to Eindhoven
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| Acrux | 8th October 2007 - 11:01 PM Post #6 |
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I'm with Mutator on this one. Pack up your stuff and take a break for a while. But keep your eyes open for new players and clubs. I was in pretty much the same boat as you. In about 5 years I had only played maybe half a dozen games. My friend that played just stopped ( that WoW is the devil! ). The local shops that had games would already be underway before I got out of work or were closing their doors for good. Then about a month and a half ago I found a new shop and met some new people and we've been playing every tuesday night since. They're all pretty cool and I'm the youngest at 22 so its not like a day care. I had pretty much given up all hope for warhammer but now I'm having a blast with it. Forget about the tournies, imo, people will be there to win not so much for fun. As for the painting. I understand what you're talking about. I do enjoy painting but normally I can't take more than 30 min of it before I've had enough, which is why I can't seem to finish anything I suppose. You might try packing up and hiding your army except for a handful of models. 5-10 or a unit's worth at the very most. Sometimes I find it easier to paint if I don't have a mountain of primered mini's staring at me. Just pack it up and forget about it for a while. Keep your eyes open for new players. Everyone need a break once in a while. Whatever you do though, don't sell your minis. Might seem like the right thing to do right now but you'll regret it someday. Or if all else fails you could just move to Eindhoven. Acrux |
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| Mutator | 8th October 2007 - 11:19 PM Post #7 |
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Or you could send your primered skaven to me, to be painted for a small fee
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| scrivener | 8th October 2007 - 11:49 PM Post #8 |
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As Mutator and the gang have said. It's a hobby, it doesn't need to be pursued continuously with a high level of zeal, so don't feel obliged to do so. I never followed soccer matches (besides the world cup) and I haven't played a game since 2003, but i still consider it one of my interests. Same with warhammer: ever since all my warhammer friends and i have ended up in different cities, i'm left with no one to game with, and i'm not motivated enough by the gaming aspect to find new gaming partners. I still haven't quite reached a proper 2k pt army, never been in a tournament, and a lot of my models have been unpainted for years. But I still enjoy the warhammer world and the occasional painting project. There's no level of activity required to qualify as being involved in the hobby: you can have only one gaming partner and paint a clanrat a year, whatever suits your life and your interests. |
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| kizzlesticks | 8th October 2007 - 11:52 PM Post #9 |
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You are working 6 days a week. Surely that has to be stressful and tiring! The last thing you need is to worry yourself about travelling out by train just to play a few games then train back- it'll be too tiring and you risk losing every ounce of enjoyment for warhammer. You say that you see painting as a "necessary evil" which is a fair comment to say when you are looking at hundreds of clanrats. Put all those scary rank and file models away. Instead, select some special models to paint. Work on just the one, and use it to relax after a days work. This way you get a bit of time to relax (you can spend anything from 20 mins to an hour depending on how your are feeling). You'll start to improve your painting technique, and you'll get some sweet models to show for it. Even spending 10 minutes a night means you will have spent over an hour through the week ![]() If you've got a digital camera, you can post your pics on the UE. I'd love to see them as I'm sure everyone else would! And I'm sure people would be happy to give you some advice if you wanted it. But you can ignore me if you want. Most people do (including myself :P) Later! 'Sticks |
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| General Vorg | 9th October 2007 - 12:04 AM Post #10 |
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move to eindhoven, i live in canada, ut that place has a sweet name squeeks |
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| Warlock Rageaganish | 9th October 2007 - 12:31 AM Post #11 |
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I used to be schizophrenic, BUT WE'RE OKAY NOW!
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Vinz, you have to see it under another light: You've seen MY army at UEGT... I've never even bothered to prime them! LOL It was THE grey army <_< ! My skaven are a good example of what the others are advocating, the UEGT battles we played together Vinz was my first in 2 years with my skaven, and the first fantasy game over a nine months period... Just like you I hate painting, mostly because my painting just can't give credit to the model, yet it doesn't mean I don't like the game... Advises: -Stay away from tournament... They're evil! Powergamers, whiny kids, painting competitions which include semi-pro painters... Everything to turn you away from what the game is all about! -Find a store near you were you can reserve a table and invite your friends over... Why should you travel if it's not practical for you? I don't know, but perhaps one of them have a car, and since you don't appear to see your old buddies often anymore, maybe it could turn into a once a month reunion or something... That's how it is with one of my former roommate since the UEGT... -As stupid as it sound, have you actually looked through the youngster playing at your store? The new store where I play once in a while is filled with stupid 40k kids... Yet I've found myself a surprisingly good lizardmen opponent in the shape of a 9 years old kid, and I haven't heard him complain at all... And I'm "coaching" a 10 years old Chaos Warrior of Nurgle... True, it's not the same as playing with old buddies, but I find it very interesting as well, and it's helping me rekindle the warhammer spirit in me... To tell you the truth Vinz, UEGT marked a turnstone in my warhammering habit... I've played at least a game every 2 weeks since then, after close to 2 years of near nothing... Since I became Overseer for CWC1, to be exact... But playing against you, UB, Scar, Boda, or alongside of Mal made me realize how fun this game could be when playing without care about win or lose ... And I've kept that spirit since... Which remind me that I need to get to Thraskittar to see if we could get a game in before snowfall... OR maybe SG13 I mean, it's what, 150 kms between us? |
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| Mormeguil | 9th October 2007 - 01:54 AM Post #12 |
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Another suggestion. It might be a bit of work but you could probably start to organise events at one of the store. Nothing big, maybe just post a small scenario each week and invite everyone to be ready to play it sunday afternoon. If you can get people in the habit you won't have any trouble finding an opponent.
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| Morkskittar | 9th October 2007 - 01:58 AM Post #13 |
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I completely lost interest in WH for a while.... all I had to do to regain it was put it away, but still visit the UE regularly. After about a month, I realized what I was missing, and returned. ![]() Pillz |
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| Mutator | 9th October 2007 - 02:08 AM Post #14 |
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In contrast to what some others are saying, I find tournaments to be *the* most motivating factor to get me to assemble/paint an army (well, aside from cash, that is). Even attending as a spectator leaves me all keen to collect and play. Add to that the number of times I've thought "Boy, if I only had a skaven army here I'd have some real favourable matchups" ![]() It all depends upon your local tournament regime though. |
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| Rusty Tincanne | 9th October 2007 - 04:35 AM Post #15 |
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...you can still call me Rusty Tincanne if you want, though.
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As I'm fond of pointing out, I quit gaming for over 10 years before deciding to play WFB a couple of years ago. Somewhere along the way I lost all my blood bowl teams - skaven, undead and a furry expansion team. I miss them all the time, as I would love to play a game of BB, but there is no way I'll be buying another team and taking the time to paint it. And that is my view on selling any of your minis. The money is spent. The energy expended. (Unless you're getting a mail-order bride it just isn't worth it. )As to finding new folks to play with, don't your friends ever come home? Also, I moved here 1.5 years ago and only just recently found a couple of folks to model and play with. It's rekindling my spirit a bit jsut to spend an hour each month dabbing a little bit of paint or regluing minis to bases. In fact, i've been thinking of trying to visit Morm at some point in the future, as he can't be more than an hour or so away. But then again, I have a car. Anyhow, at least ou have specialist games to keep ou warm at night.
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... that would probably make me your polar opposite then
) and, above all, have an awesome place to play that's really nearby and has a lot of really cool players/friends of mine to play with.
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. Don't sell your skaven unless your really think that you won't find a cool group of gamers near you.. ever.









