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Evangelion: who understood the anime ending?; who understood the ending of this anime?
Topic Started: 23rd July 2007 - 02:58 AM (264 Views)
Mormeguil
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I just saw the whole evangelion serie at a pretty rapid pace (made me a bit depressed, had to watch "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulin" to cheer me up after) and I was wondwring who understood the ending of the serie.

Also, lets not consider the movie in all of this, just the anime. So who understood something in it and what did you understand?

I'm asking this because i'm wondering if my interpretation is correct. Also, I know i just LOVED that ending. Yes, honestly I know a lot of people did not like it but I like all these psychology stuff.
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You actually will have to read the manga to make sense of everything in the series ending.

I'm not saying anything. ;)
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I don't get why a lot of people bash the anime ending, personally (although I am no means an expert on it and therefore I don't suppose this point means much) I quite liked it. :P

When I first watched the ending, I came to the conclusion that this was what the effect of 3rd Impact was on everyone, individually. Everyone is forced to question their existence and, if they so desire, become one with everyone else. The most of the 2 episodes (I thought) was it questioning Shinji, and when he finally accepted himself for what he was, he decided to be "assimilated". I think. It made sense at the time.

If we WERE considering the movie, could the last 2 episodes have happened at the same time? Although I've read that the two things are completely seperate, is it possible that the 2 final episodes could've happened when Shinji was absorbed into Lilith/Rei? I like that explanation, although I'm sure people wouldn't agree with me. ;)

Does that make sense? :huh:
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*Cracks fingers and puts on "Unofficial Expert of Evangelion" badge*
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Actually I just finished introducing my room mate to Evangelion so I'm all primed for this one!
I'll stick all this in black so I don't ruin it for people who don't want to know ;)

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he decided to be "assimilated". I think.

Well that is one of the theories, though honestly it's the weaker of the two. The series does in fact run with the movies where Shinji regects Instrumentality, but he did almost go for it. The main reason why people think he joined in Instrumentality is because his real life sucks and all he wanted was for all the pain to go away and some see the "Congradulations" as him joining with all them people, though the final two episodes show that he regects being with the LCL Sea.
One instance is that funny black and white cartoon where he is actually with everybody else and without boundries (where he's floating in mid air.) Literally their's no way where they could actually show what it would be like so it was more of an example of what the Human Complimentation Project would be like if simply stated. But he ends up not knowing what to do and becomes uncomfortable, so they try giving him some boundries (the floor) and he feels more comfortable with the restrictions placed on him.
The next bit is the Angelic Days Universe where everything is all happy, Rei has emotions, Auska isn't a...showboat, and Shinji's parents are together and happy. That showes him a possible reality where he doesn't have to be piloting the Eva and he actually does have a good life (which is kinda funny because he ends up piloting the Eva's anyway in the Angelic Days manga :D )
When he sees that their's an alternative to his crappy depressive life of pain he rejects the next 'evolution' of man which is shown by the stage which he's sitting in front of starting to crumble and falling appart. The reason why they're all congradulating him at the end is that he finally makes a decision to do something about his life and improve upon it.

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is it possible that the 2 final episodes could've happened when Shinji was absorbed into Lilith/Rei?

Thats how I tend to see it , though of course in the series they don't actually go into how Instrumentality was initiated and there was nothing to indicate that Shinji joined with Lilith/Rei. The series just presents him as just another guy that's debating weather he wants to 'evolve' with the rest of mankind or not, but both could easily work together I think.[/color]

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I like all these psychology stuff.

You sir should watch Serial Experiments Lain if that type of thing turns your crank ;)

Any more questions?
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Any more questions?


OH oh oh! *hands up*

Whose "soul" was in Rei's Eva? Was there any? Was it just another Rei? Rei didn't really have a "soul", so I'm not too sure what to think on this one...
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I'll stick all this in black so I don't ruin it for people who don't want to know ;)


Ummm....is this a special greeny shade of black I've been hitherto unaware of? :P
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To tell you the truth. I pretty much understood all of this except some finner point that I understood after reading the analysis of others.

I was mostly asking this because from what I read i seemed to be the only one to love this ending and to understand it. All I read was "ending is (&?_" " I did'n understand anything!!".
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Scaaarrrrghhh

One thing that should be taken into consideration is that the director was going through some sort of breakdown and manic depression as he directed the end of Evangelion movie. That certainly had some sort of impact!

I'm pretty certain that the main points of Evangelion are the exploration and finding of your inner self and accepting who you are and also accepting the way others percieve you.
Shinji is a total wimp throughout the movie and only really 'finds himself' and accepts it half way through the film. The part where Missato kisses him symbolises the bonds between humans and also the strong bonds that are held between a mother and child.
Thats it in its simplest form, I suppose. :P

There is a hell of a lot of other links between Lillith and the entire human race. Such as the fact that Adam and Lilith are the enemy, as their angels, but they also are what is used to produce the Eva's and give manking hope.
Through those mechanism's they are the new Adam and Eve for the human race, as they help us survive. There's some obvious references to this, such as Gendo Ikari, calling the Adam 'feotus', the first human.
I think Kauru (think I spelt that wrong) pretty much represents the second coming and acts as the 'hand of God' in the war against the angels. He's either our worst enemy, or our ultimate saviour and has to make a choice on the spot.

The human instramentality project, is pushing humans into their next phase of evolution and this removes the necessity for a God, as one philosopher (can't remember which - might be Satre) says that humans created God as a social reflex to form a shared conciousness and existence.
Human instramentality would fullfill this and we wold have to suffer the wrath of God, through his own agents, ie - the angels.

Just my 2 warp tokens on the matter. :P
And i've not read the manga!

I could go on for a lot longer (and might do when i come back), but its late and i'm knackered. :P
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Man I could go on for ages on this! :D

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Ummm....is this a special greeny shade of black I've been hitherto unaware of?

That's wierd...oh well, the real reason why I wanted to do it that way was because I though it would look cool to have that much black text :lol:

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Whose "soul" was in Rei's Eva? Was there any? Was it just another Rei? Rei didn't really have a "soul", so I'm not too sure what to think on this one...

Though they don't really come out and say it and it's one of the more disputed questions in the series I would say Rei I is the best bet.
-Smells like Rei
-It only went Berserk when Ritsuko was around, who is essentially just like her mother; the one who killed Rei I
-Rei I was the one with all the emotions(...if you could call it that :P ) and is another good reason why it went Berserk when Shinji tried to pilot it.
-They couldn't use a dummy Rei or really anything else because the dummy's don't have a soul and Rei wouldn't really be able to link up with anything else (other than Yui in 01) which is also the main reason why Auska could only pilot 02 ;)
-Plus they had to do something with Rei I! ^_^

Rei did have a soul...sort of. It was just a copy of Yui's soul[/color]
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