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FSM do YOU belive?; another one...
Topic Started: 2nd July 2007 - 06:07 PM (586 Views)
Mallekha the Overwhelmer
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awesome topic, im a firm believer of the FSM, why not? ;) all the evidence is false anyway. And who could resist joining the Pastafaris? come on, waaaay better than being called a Hare Krishna :P!


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:lol: i love it. For those who do not know Schrodinger's Cat, its a science anecdote about probability, read this.
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The theory behind the spagetti monster is not true, it was created by evil dark-sporkers in an attempt to draw people away from the light.

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Become one with the spork! :ph43r:

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For all you non believers... I give you a sign!
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Hmm, i wandered onto a friends forum before, after constant poking from another friend...and guess what i saw...

look at the top banner on here and tell me that isnt the spagetti monster...? :S

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I just recently went to my crush's house and, while waiting for her to come back from shopping, I read through a modern version of the bible. All is good, until I reached a part that tries to explain how mankind came to be.

They presented the Darwinian theory of evolution, and that mankind evolved from 'apes'. That is such a misleading term to use. Not only that, they go to say that things must have been created. Consider this. The first law of Thermodynamics states that matters cannot be created nor destroyed. If so, then it is impossible for everything to exist. How can there be man, animals, plants, and the world? If everything evolved from single-cell organisms, then those had to start from somewhere.

And, guys, I love this quote in that paragraph "three words; God did it"

I am a moderately religious person, but is also a scientist. Even then, I cannot believe the utter stupidity displayed there. They purposely leave out the REAL phenomenon that organic matters will spontaneously combine from atoms in a 'soup' of atoms, which has been tested in laboratories. From then, the need to find food to sustain the forms caused the organics matters to become 'life'. (I may need to check that again, but I'm sure the former is true)

And I tried to be respectful to my crush's religion (she's not devout, but still...), but sometimes I feel like some things are so unbearable. If A cannot be explained, then why is the unrelated B true?

That said, I've been going to church to learn more about Christianity, but everytime I go, I feel like I'm in a court room and I always have an urge to go "OBJECTION" in the middle of a sermon.

Like when a guy tried to link Christianity and science together, and said God knew. How so? A section in the Bible stated that God ruled over a 'circle' or something like that (that's supposed to be the earth). He explained the contrary belief back then that the earth is supported by four elephants on a giant turtle's back (the Hindu belief, I think), and yet the Bible said that the earth is a 'circle'. I wanted to object and said that the popular belief was actually that the earth is a flat circle, and so the interpretation of the bible's sentence does not necessarily mean that the bible knew the earth was a sphere.

I'll calm down now. This has been in my chest for quite a while.

It's so hard to keep an open mind when there's a garrison of reason fortifying my mind.

MUTATE: Oh yes the FSM. I have no comment on that, but this thread really sparked my rant. Thankyou.
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Jul 10 2007, 02:19 AM
And, guys, I love this quote in that paragraph "three words; God did it"

That's the idea behind Intelligent Design. So there was a Big Bang, so evolution is real, so life forms developed from stuff mixing together and becoming amino acid chains and whatnot, but maybe it was God who designed these processes. Was it spontaneous, or was it? Or maybe God did make it all in 7 days and then put all the other stuff there to confuse us. Or maybe it was the Spaghetti Monster. Can't be proven, but it can't be disproven either, because that's what you get when all your explanations involve an omnipotent being that works in mysterious ways and is beyond human comprehension :rolleyes:
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Jul 10 2007, 03:19 AM
The first law of Thermodynamics states that matters cannot be created nor destroyed. If so, then it is impossible for everything to exist. How can there be man, animals, plants, and the world? If everything evolved from single-cell organisms, then those had to start from somewhere.

See, this is where ID always starts out wrong. They take a scientific principle (here the TD laws, a very strong law that stands above every theory because it will always be true no matter what you use as a theory), and they rape it. Really.

The First Thermodynamic Law states that the ENERGY of your system will always be a constant, and will never increase nor decrease. Energy and matter a 2 very distinct things. E=mc˛ isn't an equation that happens here in our daily environment ;). Matter can be created, look at a child being born, or a fruit growing from a tree out of a knot. The TD laws will always exist, and cannot change. Einstein even once said that they are the most powerful laws out there, cause if you accept other complex or maybe wrong theories, be it about subatomic particles or huge macroscopical masses, the TD laws will always have to be respected, they are totally independent of any theory.


The problem i have with ID is that they are so determined that their theory is the right one because they think they prove science wrong. Fact is that they take things out of contaxt and spin theoretic principles in a bad way so they could use it as an 'argument'. They always state that science contradicts itself because theories always changes, but the Bible stayed the same for years. :blink: theories evolve with growing knowledge, and bad ones are proven wrong as our knowledge increases...This ticks me off. You cannot have a good argument with those ID followers, because they just don't want to be convinced, they prefer to rely on fairy tales.

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If A cannot be explained, then why is the unrelated B true?


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That's not matter being created, Malleka. That fruit can only grow because the tree is absorbing matter and energy to actually grow it. The tree is sucking water and other elements from the ground, absorbing sunlight, etc.

Other than that I completely agree.
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Jul 10 2007, 03:19 AM
He explained the contrary belief back then that the earth is supported by four elephants on a giant turtle's back (the Hindu belief, I think),

quick note, that theory is from Terry Pratchett's Discworld. hmm... maybe TP is hindu... B)

on a semi-related note: humans are just storytelling chimps (Pan Narranus) thats why we like to rely on fairytales and silly ideas about the universe.

in conclusion, this poll is stupid ;)


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