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| shade the exiled one | 26th June 2007 - 07:38 PM Post #16 |
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lawl and order
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I think of it this way 1). we are alone in the universe, a VERY scary prospect 2). we are not alone in the universe, another VERY scary idea either way it would profoundly alter the way we look at ourselves and the planet we live on (trying to keep it habitable anyone?) personally I'd rather we not be alone @. Vinz- you were referring to the Tunguska incident, almost a 100 square km were destroyed Of course I have to wonder why the only people probed are those living out in the middle of nowwhere where they live meaningless, boring lives that they hate. Could it be they're desperate for media attention? NO of course not And why is it always probes? you'd think there are more things they could do that would give them more information =. just thinkin Shade out |
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| s'nkeep | 26th June 2007 - 07:42 PM Post #17 |
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Ajax = warpstone juice
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jehovah is an alien
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| scrivener | 27th June 2007 - 12:25 AM Post #18 |
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I thought that was Xenu. |
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| DjtHeutii | 27th June 2007 - 03:21 AM Post #19 |
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I think that the odds favor there being life of some sort elsewhere in the Universe. So I cannot rule it out catagorically This does not mean that I think any of it is "intelligent" or has ever themselves come to the Earth and rammed things up people's whazzooos. I view such things as being vastly more improbable then the "mere" presence of life elsewhere. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 27th June 2007 - 09:11 AM Post #20 |
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Bunny ear says flop
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Thanks, that was indeed the name I was looking for... ![]() Greetz |
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| Nexus | 27th June 2007 - 09:50 AM Post #21 |
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Master Assassin
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Sorry if this has all been said, i only ready the first 7 or 8 replies cos im lazy Basically, i have a few points to make:Firstly, who says life on other planets has the same needs and conditions as life on our planet? We require oxygen, water, sunlight, warmth etc. What if life on another planet breathed nitrogen or carbon dioxide or helium or some other gas (heck, there may even be elements and stuff out there we dont know about yet, the periodic table we know could be a tiny chunk of a much vaster one). But back to the point, what if those creatures breathed differently, survived in icey cold temperatures where warmth would kill them or at least slow them down like the cold does to us. Or they could need temperatures of 400+ to get a light suntan. We just dont know. But, if that is the case, they chances are they wont come to Earth as it is uninhabitable to them. In fact, they may not even search for life here as they may only look at planets with conditions the same as there own, and they see Earth as a lump of oxygenated warm wet rock which life (as they know it) can not possibly survive on. Half of this is coming to me as i write it, but i hope you get the general point of what im saying.Secondly, if they did have the same conditions, could survive on earth, and DID have the technology and advnaced awesomness to space travel for light years on huge craft the size of the sun and carrying there entire population etc. Whats the chance they would ever find earth. I watched a Space program on TV and i quote it here, although maybe not correct to the word: "Earth in our galaxy is like a grain of sand on a beach, one planet in a countless mass of other planets. but there are then as many galaxies as there are grains of sand in the world Now, do you expect us to find life on another one of those planets?" Something like that, it was a good series of programs and that helps visualise just how many planets there are out there. If they came looking for us, the chances are they would not find us. In fact the chance they would is practically 0, it wouldnt take skill at navigation or technology to track us down, it would take a chance meeting. A miracle. Thirdly, if and when life did discover us, im sure Earth would be a very different place, hopefully for better not for worse, as it would be decades or centuries in the future if they actually ever find us. Now, your all talking about them watching us and learning our language. What if they dont want to. Since we are all familiar with wargaming here ill use 40k as an example. Imagine what these aliens could be like. The aliens you are talking about says to me, Tau. a peacefull race looking to expand there allies in other races, make peace and learn more about life and other races, only going to war when war comes to them, or a planet will not surreneder to their empire. I doubt earth would surrender without a fight. But if these tau-like aliens did not want us in their command and just wanted to learn from us, then okay its all good. What if they are like tryanids. You can not reason with them, they feed off life on other planets and hunt the universe for life-born planets to which they can attack and feed off without reason. No compromise, no hesitation, no interlectual conversation, just all out space-war and death. This could be fun yeagh (or is that just me ) but i doubt earth would come out the victor. To travel that far im sure there ship would be many times bigger than the earth and the creatures on board would outnumber humans a hundred to one. They would have better weapons and feed off us while we can only hold them back and wait for death to come. They could then be some other kind of alien who i have no examples for. Perhaps a race that would try and compromoise with us but humans and there stubborness would lead us to a war with them. Maybe the new race would be fleeing and seek refuge on an already over populated earth, maybe they would trick us into becoming friends only to kill us and take over our planet for the rare living conditions. Its a dog eat dog world out there or should i say a space-bug eat man universe out there Lastly, I can just point out that (this is all made up but it gives you the general gist of things): if there was about a 1% chance of the universe even forming in the first place then there was a 1% chance of our sun forming the right size with earth the right distance away then a 1% chance that earth actually adopted the right conditons for life then a 1% chance life actually came to exist. Now that means life on earth is like a 0.00001% chance, a complete miracle. Whats the chances of that happening two or more times. Now add the chance of those two life forms adapting far enough technologically to look for one another, and to atually find eachother. I think youve got about a 0.00000000000000000000000000001% chance of life finding us or us finding life. the good news is theres a 50% chance well get along with them Cheers, SW :ph43r: |
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| Mebob | 27th June 2007 - 04:58 PM Post #22 |
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Pants are for the weak!
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Nice description their Stormvermin, and ofcourse everyone else ![]()
Well, easy answer to that, why go into a heaviyl populated city to abduct someone, were the risk of being spotted is greater than in a lightly populated farmstead? |
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| s'nkeep | 27th June 2007 - 06:45 PM Post #23 |
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Ajax = warpstone juice
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sorry scriv but scientology doesnt do it for me. one just needs to look at tom jumping around on oprah's sofa to know they arent quite right... or their serious crimes for abuse and their huge nest of laywers with army of paperwork... once such group that they took over in a lawsuit that once helped people escape from cults and abusive churches. (Cult awarness network) my belief that the building blocks of relgion is given to us from "angels"/aliens and/or hybrids. noah's ark comes to mind for how genocide on a planetwide scale would be possible. the occult influence we have now i believe started in egypt, (who the noah story has simularities with a story in 26000 BC) their rulers claimed to be gods, and their 'cave' drawings inside their pymarids show their eyes very mirror like simular to the sterotypical grey alien. i also look to some scripture that stands out giving you that weird eh while lookin at it. example Psalms 89:6 For who in the skies can compare to the Lord? Who is like the Lord among the heavenly beings man unable to really accept aliens in the past would easily mistaken two groups of strangers fighting as a battle of the heavens? like final fanasty spirts within movie? unsure but there is a strangness in the facts, there is so many hoaxes. now if this is people faking things to get attention or an attempt to really hide the really bizzar by disinformation. one could almost never be 100% sure... |
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| Mutator | 28th June 2007 - 02:11 AM Post #24 |
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Actually, they dont. "They" say that, given the size of the universe and hence number of stars, that the odds are pretty good. The odds of us visiting/being visited by others? Low... People probably think they are ghosts
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| scrivener | 28th June 2007 - 03:15 AM Post #25 |
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The odds of the situation on Earth being replicated elsewhere in the universe is good, since the universe is pretty big (if odds are one in a gazillion, there are probably a gazillion-gazillion planets out there, so it's going to happen a gazillion times), but I was looking at the odds for an individual planet. For the environment for one planet meeting all the criteria to create and sustain life (at least our version of it) are pretty low. While we can't assume that a planet needs to be like earth, since other forms of life may develop in environments complete incompatible to us, there is still the point that all elements in the environment need to be specifically compatible to the lifeform that may develop, before the lifeform can develop. Things like temperature, constancy of temperatue, atmospheric conditions, distance of the planet from the sun, balance of elements in correlation to each other etc, and all these are very specific. The percentage of hydrogen on earth, the temperatue and distance from the sun, if we had been a fraction off, life wouldn't have happened. And that's just life, it also needs to meet the criteria to create advanced multicellular life. |
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| Mutator | 28th June 2007 - 03:28 AM Post #26 |
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Sure, the odds for a single planet are low. But then, we wouldnt work off the odds for a single, known planet, would we? Got any extra-solar system planets in mind? No? I thought not ![]() Point remains - if you are going to work out the odds of extraterrestrial life then you dont restrict those odds to planets we know about. If you are going to caclulate the odds of visitation events you may wish to articicially limit your calculations to, say, our galaxy, but then, what justification would you have for doing that either? Remember that we have restricted our calculations of the odds to those approximating or supporting terrestrial-like life (which encompasses a pretty high degree of environmental variations) and still arrived at a fairly high number of potential life forms of equal or advanced 'civilisations'. Factor in odds for life outside of terrestrial parameters (which, incidentally, there is little point in doing, for basic chemical and thermodynamical reasons) and you'll only increase the likelyhood that "aliens" exist. Still only probability though, There might still be noone else out there. |
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| scrivener | 28th June 2007 - 03:54 AM Post #27 |
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But if we're setting the parameters to calculate for any sort of lifeform, whether matching our own earth criteria or any other lifeform that may have been derived from conditions we don't know about, and then expand the field of our parameter to the whole universe, which is pretty much infinite, then the odds are going to be practically boundless. It's like saying, if we had an infinite number of chimps banging on an infinite number of typewriters for an infinite period of time, then one of them is going to reproduce the complete works of Shakespeare in a language we may or may not know. |
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| Mutator | 28th June 2007 - 04:44 AM Post #28 |
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Except that we can make educated guesses as to the upper limits of stars in the universe, and we can make even more educated guesses as to the age of the universe. Thus, with limits on the extent of the universe and the length of time required for life to develop then it becomes more than the mere mental exercise of your typewriting chimps example. |
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| scrivener | 28th June 2007 - 06:39 AM Post #29 |
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I wasn't suggesting that we should individually assess each planet. But the odds of each planet still affect the greater odds in terms of the universe. If the odds are 50% per planet, then out of 4 planets 2 may have life, and out of 10, then 5 may have life, but the odds occurring is still at 50%. As I said, if the odds are a gazillion to one that a planet can have life, and if there are a gazillion times a gazillion planets, then there will still be a gazillion planets that may have life, but the odds of it happening in the universe still remains the same, at a gazillion to one. If my odds of scoring a hole in one is 10 to 1, and I play a thousand rounds of golf in a day, I will score more holes in one than if I had played fifty rounds, but my odds of scoring the hole in one is exactly the same in either case to if I'd played one game. Increasing the number of planets does not improve the odds, it merely allows the odds occurring more frequently. But, if we increase the parameter to include the lifeforms that may come about via other means different from what we're familiar with, we do increase the odds, only because we're no longer looking at 1 specific event occuring, but a few types of events. And if we calculate the parameters to include means that may be possible but unknown to us, then we're adding an unspecific parameter to the odds. |
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| Mebob | 28th June 2007 - 11:19 AM Post #30 |
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Pants are for the weak!
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Okay, this is Aarosn friend talking, Big P: Obviously, no-one knows if there are or aren't, but my personal feeling is that there probably is because it seems pretty impossible that this could be the only planet with life. |
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Half of this is coming to me as i write it, but i hope you get the general point of what im saying.
) but i doubt earth would come out the victor. To travel that far im sure there ship would be many times bigger than the earth and the creatures on board would outnumber humans a hundred to one. They would have better weapons and feed off us while we can only hold them back and wait for death to come.


