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Do you beleive in life on other planets?
Yes i do 22 (61.1%)
I have been probed/visited 6 (16.7%)
No, they do not 0 (0%)
Potatoe: This poll is stupid 8 (22.2%)
Total Votes: 36
Aliens-do you believe; Another useless psot by Mebob ^^
Topic Started: 25th June 2007 - 07:55 PM (767 Views)
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Okay..another random "do yo ubelieve in..." poll from me(bob) :P anyway, what does everyone think of this topic?

My personal beleifs are that there IS life mon other planets, not because im gullible and beleive what im told, but becuase of the probability of it, if their is life able to exist on this planet, then the laws of probability dictate, that in the billions of other planets and stars out there, there must be a few that can maintain life on it. Although life on other planets making contact with us i beleive would be pretty unlikely, as they would ahve to create a spacecraft that will be able to maintain itsself for a long enough journey to Earth,t he chances are they wont know were to look for life, if their looking for life, and the distance would probaly take years to cover to the nearest solar system (i tihnk...) let alone find one with life on it, although alternate means of travel amy of been discovered by other "races".

Also i believe that contact with outside races will most likely be hostile, for several reasons due to:

Language block, the chances of aliens speaking any of our languges doesnt seem large to me, and look at our own history, how many times has in the past someone from one continent landed on another one, and hav eremained peacefull throught it all?

Anyway, i'll expand on all of this once the topic starts rolling a bit

So, what are everyones beleifs?

Do you believe in the existance of life on other planets? or is it all jsut made up crap?
Do you beleive contact iwth other life is possible?
Would life be hostile or friendly?
Do you belive we have already made contact? (e.g. Rosswell)
What do you think of crop circles/alien abduction?
and any other questions you may feel need answering on the topic
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well, im sure that with all those galaxies out there. there HAS to be life...somewhere...

if we make contact with them, which we havent yet, then theres a small chance that there will be relative 'peace' for a bit. But sooner or later the *caSNAP* will hit the fan... yikes

crop circles are mysteries to me, and i dont care enough to find out more. Alien Abudctions... nah

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I firmly believe that something along the lines of the "aliens" quadrilogy will happen in a few thousand years, except good ol sigourney wont be around to kick alien butt. :D

I think it is inevitable that contact will happen eventually (if our planet survives long enough - maybe thats for another poll hint hint :D ), but I dont believe it has already happened, and I pass off previous sightings to have been made by drunken fools.

The appearance of crop circles seems to be too much of a coincidence, the product of bored / attention seekers.

"Circlemakers.org, a group of crop circle makers, was founded by John Lundberg. They have demonstrated that making what self-appointed cereologist experts state are "unfakeable" crop circles is possible."


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This is weird just today I have several discussions about this very topic and it was mentioned a bit on the TV.

With the pretty much limitless confines of space there is nigh on certainty that there is life in the universe. The question is when we make contact in my mind at least. Now unmanned missions are I believe only just passing from our solar system from many many years ago and our through manned missions it is hard enough to get onto the Moon let alone Mars, or the habitable moons of Saturn. These distances are minuscule to an immense degree when compared to even the nearest solar system Alpha Centauri when thought of in light years traveling by which is pretty much an unfeasible task right now in itself thus the trip will be a long long time in the coming and would take generations to get over there thus would take large colony ships. These and larger ships could only be built after we have built space ports in orbit which is yet again a long way off from our handful of astronauts on the space station and the ever wonderful Hubble.

As such we will not be going any where that far so soon. In the next 50/100 years hopefully a Moon Base will be set up perhaps even a Mars and even as far as a Saturn Moon base. But we will need some break throughs before then and coupled with the growing planetary issues, other sciences and the general slowness it seems of builders world wide (unless Poland gets hoisted up on richer countries shoulders) all projects could take a while.

On the subject of time advances in biology namely stem cells and that of nano technology coupled with the major advancements in robotics and even fundamental cybernetics (Thank you Japan) these fastly growing and early stage technologies could prove to expand our life by quite hefty amount in the coming tens of years. All having massive massive potential.

As for the sightings of UFOs, counting the apparently large number of sightings by pilots around the world at all times but a shushed into silence by fear of laughter or their respective companies so circumstances I have hear of multiple witnesses from different airlines at the same time including passengers not tightly bound as the pilots would be and apparently signals picked up my control towers in the same spots at the same time I would at least like to be some to be true. But will fall back on the the law of averages that at least some of these must be at least more interesting than some reflection from the sun or some such.

To answer some of your other questions:
The sneaky government may very well have made contact many times before as it is rather silly to suppose they are never up to something in those highly guarded confidential areas but well it is too out of the grasp of a normal person to have to worry about for good or ill.
Crop circles seem to me to be a very inefficient way of communicating with us of course their could have been taken by the government or to think of something quite Hitch Hikers Guide; they could merely be pranks by the richer and more irresponsible in Alien society and as for abductions law of averages says it could have very well happened but as with the other answers above, it is out of our hands.

Most of this (not counting the slightly less reputable musings of the few paragraphs above) lead me to the fairly solid conclusion that it will have to be those from other planets who visit Earth or a Orbital/Moon/Mars base first. Now considering they have the technology to get to us I am fairly sure that they will have the technology necessary to make a peaceful landfall or even communication without intent to harm to begin with. They could analyze every part of the planet even what diseases we carried or what our make up was, perhaps even know how our brain worked. I do not believe any who have the ability to watch, wait and learn would not do so and charge madly in. As for language barriers they could be surpassed in a plethora of ways. With peaceful intent they could be welcomed remotely and taught perhaps they higher intellect picking it up much quicker that humanly possible. They could use technology perhaps harken back to the days their technology was as primitive as ours and communicate through binary or some universal language of numbers or some such. Patterns can be worked out pretty quickly you would be surprised and they could even make planet fall with the knowledge of our lanuage already which would be the smart thing to do.

Of course I only covered peaceful. We being being introduced to them and hopefully through them into some local intergalactic network of Alien Species, information, technology, resources the list goes on. This would hopefully bring a golden age if our Alien Brethren were generous enough and we could come to aid them back and mingle and perhaps repeat the process only with ourselves as the advanced race helping a new fledgling Species to rise. This is what I would dream of, the possibilities and just how interesting it would be boggles my mind.

I chose the positive out look as that is with which we have a future. We are at the mercy of the stars for if a race came to enslave and conquer we have little chance and will either be eradicated or live our life as slaves and there is no future in either of those options.


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hehe, another of these threads? *looks around for Skaskrit and Mutator*


They say the odds of a planet having the exact right conditions to support life (temperature, water, balance of elements, type of planet, distance from a sun, the type of sun, etc) and then the exact right circumstances to create life occurring on that planet are so low that our planet was pretty much a miracle. But then, considering the size of the universe and how many planets and suns there are out there, I'm sure the odds could possibly be repeated at least 1 more time. The question is, what are the odds as well of all that happening in our time (or even within this millenia), what are the odds that it would be a lifeform that evolved into intelligent beings like us, and what are the odds that would they be capable of space travel? Then, not only would they be capable of space travel, they would want to travel.

Then, what are the odds that they would decide to come all the way to our planet, only to shun the cities and avoid making official contact, then visit the isolated highways and countryside, to probe cattle and random hicks? That's an absolute waste of time, resources, funding, and space ships if you ask me.

Mutate: Just wondering, is the sudden talk of aliens any way related to today (24 June) being the 60th anniversary of America's first widely reported UFO sighting, which coined the term Flying Saucer? Random trivia: the press erroneously described that sighting as a flying saucer, the guy actually said they were boomerang-shaped. :P
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I personally am definite there's life on other planets, simply because the universe is infinitely vast, so there's infinite plants, inifinite of which can support life. Anf therefore infinite of which do.

I don't believe we've ever met them at all, though - the closest will be tens of light years away at least.

If we do meet them, I doubt it will go well, for various reasons. Firstly, as above, there's a language barrier. Secondly, as humans, we tend to think of ourselves as the top species - we like to do what we want with other species. It's the natural thing to do, biologically, but if we do encounter an alien race with significant technology, we'll be unlikely to be satisfied leaving them in peace, IMO.
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According to the laws of probability there should probably be life somewhere in the galaxy. Especially if it is infinite (they don't know that for sure yet). So sorry for being the scientist here, but I don't believe in life on other planets: I think it is highly likely that there is ^_^ .

Do I think it's possible that there are alien lifeforms out there that are hostile to us?

I think that would be highly unlikely. According to the laws of probability (again) IF there is any lifeform out there, it should have originated quite some distance away from us. Now, seeing as it has been mathematically proven (I think by einstein), that it is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. It would probably take too long for them to find us or it would take such a high level of technological (and thus also sociological) advancement that if they would manage it, there would be no reason for them left to make contact with us. What would you need such a distant, 'barbarian' race for if your race is advanced to such an extent that you can even overcome the laws of physics. There would be no problem they couldn't solve without us. Therefore the chance of a race being both technologically advance enough to travel faster than the speed of light AND are interested in us for something other than casual observation could very well be 0 (and will therefore never happen, even in an infinite universe).

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say that aliesn could exist, no says that another life form can exist in other situations. It could be that some organism form that are anaerobic (sp? i mean that they don't need oxygen) and could exist in our relative 'extreme' circumstances. Molecules don't stop moving up until they reach -273°C so alot could happen in a colder climate, or warmer, with other mixes of the 'air'. The aliens we talk about could very well be huge colonies of insects, or even more, swarms of submicoscopical creatures. Hooray we found aliens...

thats why i believe that there could very well be other creatures than us in this universe.

Also, should there be a planet with almost the exact same conditions ashere on earth, would you think that they could actually be JUST like us? i mean, another world of humans? it's not like we evolved just by accident the way we are, it's over the course of millenia that we've evolved and the strongest mutations stayed alive (basically).

Would be pretty messed up to see other humans, maybe not even as far in the evolution, or way further than us. What are the odds then that we find another form of life in this universe, with the exact same technology as we? Almost nihil, but it doesn't hurt to try and probe the universe to see.
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@mebob:
What's a 'bleive'? :P (Sorry, too tempting not to comment on...)

Personally, I most certainly believe that aliens exist, wether it's humanoid like ourselves or a floating sack of gass that communicates through telepathy. (Yes, been playing a bit too much SF games the past months)... Life on earth requires the presence of carbon-based molecules, liquid water and an energy source. I mean, compare the zillion numbers of planets to ours and there is quite a chance that you end up with a few that are suitable for life itself as we know it. So, even if they're behind us in technological advancement, or way ahead. I think there's a fairly reasonable chance that there is someone/ something out there quite similar to life here on Earth.

Off course, the question regarding contact is an interesting one... We had Rosswell that still puzzles many regarding the truth behind it, though there are several other happenings that are quite hard to explain. (If I recall correctly, in 1918 there was a part of a large woodland in Siberia just burnt down without a sensible explanation on how this could have happened, which is believed to have been possibly a crashsite of 'something'). Still, I think that any encounters will be more by chance then really a specific visit.
I mean, at this point we have (even if it is a tiny bit) gone completely through our star system and not yet found a planet like ours suitable to life as we know it. Sure, we could have tiny organisms/ amoebes (sp?) that infest the iceblock we know as Pluto, but even then there is no planet some piece of technology of earth hasn't flown by yet that could sustain life as we know it. *points to the earlier remark of the sack of gass*...

Still, the closest star system is the Centaurus system with its 'famous' star Alpha Centauri. Unfortunately, that one is 4.36 light years away from our own sun, which would be app. 41250 times a BILLION kilometres away. A quick calculation would learn that if we flew at the speed of light (something we are quite unlikely to achieve), it would still take us almost 1600 days to reach that system. Even if we'd have the technology, there would be absolutely no person sane enough to take a trip for five years STRAIGHT into the middle of nowhere. So, as such, I doubt that we'll be such a famous attraction for any alien lifeform to take that journey.

On the queston how first contact would go, or contact in general, I am somewhat uncertain on the answer... Us humans are quite a destructive race (hell, we justify wars through religion, just look at the crusades) and if indeed those language barriers offense one side or the other, it'll be all hell breaking loose. As I estimate that we'll be the one that are going to be visited first, I fear that we'll be dealing with a technological advanced race that would woop our butts horribly.

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LOL, this almost reminds me of the topic regarding space flight and moon bases... Man, that discussion was just plain fun with all the thinking-ahead of what technology could do! ^_^
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its been scientificly proven now. they discovered a planet with the same living conditions as earth. they dont know if theres any intelligent life but it can deffiantly sustain it.

and this was only a few months ago
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its been scientificly proven now. they discovered a planet with the same living conditions as earth. they dont know if theres any intelligent life but it can deffiantly sustain it.

and this was only a few months ago

that reminds me of a conversation...

Guy 1: So... Global Warming...

guy 2: Yep, were all going to die

Guy 1: Wah? No were not!

Guy 2: Yeah, we are. I mean, not us, but the human race

Guy 1: Actually, there is already a solution to that

Guy 2: Please explain

Guy 1: You see, there is this plaent 20 light years away that has the same conditions as earth!

Guy 2:... Wha?

Guy 1: SO where earth runs out of resources, were all going to New Earth.

Guy 2: So... let me get this straight. We cant save our environment, we cant stop the genocide in Africa nor the AIDS out break. We cant fly to Mars yet, our ice caps our melting and were running out of resources and we are over populated... YET... we can take 7 billion people, and ship em off 20 light years away to a new earth, where none of these problems will be an issue...

Guy 1: Well... kind of...




i mena come on! its 20 light years man!


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Okay, glad ot see lots of feed back :D

Anywho, i remember reading something not-so-long ago, about the aliens called "greys" and how is you compare the difference between the apes we evolved from to humans, the difference between that is rather simmular between the differences between a grey and a human, supporting the theory that Grey's are an evolution of mankind.

Whic could mean either somehow in the future we as a race manage to travel through time or realities or something, or that a highly evolved version of mankind has devoleoped the technology to reach us.

About a week or two, a freind and i went shopping, and i bought a book o nthis subject (still yet to read) and loking at the pictures in the center of the book of the crop circles, i thought that they kind off looked as f they were some sort of graffiti, so what if crop circles are and aliens way of saying "Mebob waz 'ere" or "Jack 4 jill 4eva" or maybe they are things to help them navigate or tell something about the area like, "its safe to visit" "aviod" or even that its been investigated and the people probed. And now think of how many times people have looking in a habitat on Earth, under the sea, or an insect colony, taken samples of the species there and done experiements on the, someone in this topic asked why would they come all this way and not make themselves known, maybe their experimenting on us, for some biological reasons, devoloping ways of defeating us in an invasion swiftly, or analysing whether or not we are a threat to them, and so on.

They may be a secretive race and not want to allow themselves to become known, or feel threatend to do so.

Although it is unlikely for us to ever even attempt to reach anywere with other life with our levle of technology now, other races may have already had billions of years behind them to enable them to reach such a technologically high state that they can make long space travel possible so may reach us.

Or maybe the yhavnt discovered how to make space travel faster, but have travelled through space to reach planets in an attempt to explore and are a patient race, or the current generation of them ahve spent their entire lives travelling towards something that they are jsut following out the paths set by their forefathers.

Mutate:its interesting to see that the majoriy of peopel do believe in the existance of aliens, and so far noones picked the dont believe answer in the poll, wereas in the other topics ive done like this, most people have not beleived in the said things existance
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Sorry, Scrivener. I more or less agree with you. No long debates.

There are, have been or will be aliens out there. (and possibly all three) I personally think we'll never see them. The distances are too vast, the effort needed to cross them too great if it is even possible. And as Scriv said, they probably died out a million years ago, or will only evolve in another 86 million years. The time-gap is too big also.
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@ Vorg: 2 words: teleportation.......ing?

I do sort of believe that there is life on other planets... but what makes people think that they didn't do to their planet what we're doing to ours?
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