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Ghosts; Do YOU beleive? :p
Topic Started: 13th June 2007 - 07:34 PM (913 Views)
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Jun 19 2007, 09:47 PM
Science doesnt prove anything. Science is only able to disprove. And then, there is a degree of risk.

Form a hypothesis. Test the hypothesis. If you cannot prove the hypothesis to be untrue then it remains... a hypothesis. That is science.

That was similar to my earlier point. So "unlikely, because there is no evidence to support that" would imply proving a point based on lack of evidence to the contrary, or disproving a point based on lack of evidence to support it? Would, say, the hypothesis that sentience governs the higher functions of humanity (based on circumstantial a posteriori evidence, granted) be required to be proven to be a valid hypothesis, or would it be able to exist as a hypothesis amongst all the other hypotheses, or would it be invalidated as a hypothesis simply becase there is a contradictory hypothesis that has more research in it?
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*&%$ed if I know mate. Not sure if I even understood the question ;) You still wanna talk about ghosts?

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Interesting descriptions of thingys and such.. :P alot more indepth than my theories and ideas... =P

I can't really say much to match what is being said in enough detail, but nevertheless i still believe the same as i do at the beggingg of this topic ^^

I used to watch alot of documenteries around this topic, but i ended up spending the time watching it working out how every thing on there was mostlikely fake, and most haunted jsut made me laugh.

As some people are saying things about there being no evidence to prove it, theres pretty much no evidence to disproove it either, as say ghosts are real, they are incoporeal (is that the right word?) so wont really be able to interact with the physical world so much, so therefore will not leave behind much evidence, and there is the possiblity of them being invisable to people, except for people with a "6th sense" which it is said young children have but fades as they grow older (and some animals)
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Jun 20 2007, 05:59 AM
*&%$ed if I know mate.  Not sure if I even understood the question ;)  You still wanna talk about ghosts?

Nah. I think I dragged this too far out as it is. :P

I always wondered why Patrick Swayze couldn't touch physical objects at first, yet he didn't seem to have trouble walking on the ground. And shouldn't ghosts be naked? It's not like their clothes have ghosts too.
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And shouldn't ghosts be naked? It's not like their clothes have ghosts too.

Fairly good point, but if ghosts are a reocurring memory being played out or something like that, then they will be wearing the cloths worn during that memory.
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Jun 20 2007, 10:17 PM
As some people are saying things about there being no evidence to prove it, theres pretty much no evidence to disproove it either

I think you might find that numerous 'ghost' or supernatural manifestations have subsequently been proven to actually have a mundane, physical explanation.

Besides, even if they were comprehensively disproven - you can still believe, if you want. Belief doesnt require proof.
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Jun 20 2007, 10:20 PM
Besides, even if they were comprehensively disproven - you can still believe, if you want.  Belief doesnt require proof.

In fact, proof can very often kill belief, as, if it is widely known to be true, you are not setting yourself apart by saying you 'believe'. For instance, if we knew 100% that there was a God, it would be (mostly) accepted and no one would bother to say they believed in God, because people would just say "Yeah... so what?". It would be those that deny the existence of God that would become the 'believers'.

This poses a question, is 'belief' defined by having to defend it against another point of view? If there is no challenge to your own thoughts, there is no need to ratify and categorise them as MY BELIEFS, and thus, where is the meaning in pointing them out as such?
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I think you might find that numerous 'ghost' or supernatural manifestations have subsequently been proven to actually have a mundane, physical explanation.


Ah, many ahve been disproven, for example, there are little things when we're little were sure are something supernatural, like the door opening for no reason, can later be proven to jsut be the wind or a draft.

But although alot of "evidence" backing up there existance has been disproven, none of this ahs actaully disproven the existance of ghosts, as there are constantly people claiming to ahve whitnessed ghost sightings/activities, most of them will be fake, but that does not mean that because th majority of the "evidence" is fake or easily explained with our current knowledge


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Besides, even if they were comprehensively disproven - you can still believe, if you want. Belief doesnt require proof.

thats actually rather true ^-^ even if the existance of ghosts is disproven, i personally would probaly still believe in their existance, and try and find flaws in the proof of them not existing, i would probaly also believe that the reasonings for them not being real does not cover ever supernatural occurance involving ghosts.
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Im saying no to this one, though when i was younger i think i did see something one dark night wen we were camping. I decided it was probably just a white bush and went back to sleep :D
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beleif is ones own right and nobody has the right to enforce or be enforced upon such things i dont belive in god because of the simple fact of i belive everything has a end and beggining so that instantly counteracts the god spirit that has been around forever and a day but thats just me

there are several thins about science however

alot of the times it proves things cant happen but that is within our current knowledge "the world was flat" to the scientists in way abck when afterall
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Actually, scientists never thought the world was flat. Before people started looking into the shape of the earth, started looking for evidence, yes. Before there were scientists. Then they thought it was flat.

But as soon as people started looking for clues... in Alexandria, a few centuries BC... they discovered pretty good proof the earth is round. Well over two-thousand years ago.
"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?"

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still pints out the fact our science is based on what i know do you think in the victorian times they thought of metal birds underwater boats and the worl being connected by a light up screen and a box?
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Ever read Jules Verne? :P
"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?"

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