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Plague priest: flail or censer?; What's better?
Topic Started: 6th April 2007 - 05:21 PM (2,131 Views)
Skalpit "the one Eyed"
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Worst Case is teh Priest dying. Free VP's to the enemy.

That`s true. It could be that the priest will die but you can give him protection by equipping him with talismans ;)
It says that every model which fails the To test suffers 1 Wound without armour saves but it doesn`t say that ward saves are forbidden :)
So if he should fail a To test with rolling a 6, he has got a 4+ ward save against this wound so he`s got a chance of 50% to survive.
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The problem with the censer in a unit of plague monks is this:

If you're in the middle of your plague monks, you'll hit at most 3 of the enemy while you hit your priest and 5 monks (total 6) with the gas.

If you're on the corner of your unit, you'll likely only hit 2 enemy while you'll hit your priest and 3 monks (total: 4) with the gas.

So in the center, you have 3:6 ... let's say Toughness 3 opponents. So you'll wound 1.5 of them. Your 1/6 of your 6 will be wounded by the gas, so you'll take 1 wound. Only a .5 advantage.

In the corner, you have 2:4 ... Toughness 3 opponents again. You'll wound 1 of them. 1/6 of your 4 will be wounded so you'll take 2/3 = 66.6666 ... Only an advantage of .3333.

As you can see, there isn't much of an advantage of taking a plague censer in a unit of plague monks. As the enemy's toughness gets higher (Orcs, Chaos, Ogres, Saurus, etc.) the less effective the idea. In fact, the higher the toughness, the closer it becomes to hurting you more than it does the enemy.
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Bah, I'll read through the rest of this later, but the basic rule of thumb is that if he's in with Monks than no censer and if he's with PCB's then Censer it all the way! The gas does nothing with the BoP so if you sticking him with your Monks then you'll still be able to kill a whole load of enemy troops with a Flail without loosing any of your own to the Gas. Normally though if you do have a Censer in with the Monks people tend to put him at the corner to minimise your own losses, given that the gas susually only hits one maybe two enemy troops if your lucky.
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Bah, I'll read through the rest of this later, but the basic rule of thumb is that if he's in with Monks than no censer and if he's with PCB's then Censer it all the way! The gas does nothing with the BoP so if you sticking him with your Monks then you'll still be able to kill a whole load of enemy troops with a Flail without loosing any of your own to the Gas. Normally though if you do have a Censer in with the Monks people tend to put him at the corner to minimise your own losses, given that the gas susually only hits one maybe two enemy troops if your lucky.


Hmm i'll have to try and take note of this somewhere for when i begin my Pestilens army. I belive it will probably come in quite handy :)
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Karkeet is my Plague Priest, equipped with a Censer and a Warpstone Amulet. He likes to go on his own and break units. And eat rotten pizza, too.
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i use an additional hand weapon and the bands of power ^_^, there you go, 5 attacks at S8 most of the time (be sure to cast the bound spell after all your spells that the opponent absolutely wants to dispel.)

otherwise, id go for the flail, because my priest is always in a unit of monks, and the gases aren't that effective. I combine the charge usually with my PCBs anyway, so i have enough gas thanks you :)
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Mallekha the Overwhelmer
Apr 15 2007, 08:51 AM
so i have enough gas thanks you :)

Frankly Mallekha, we've noticed. :P

Perhaps we should stab this thread so that we won't need to rehash it in a month or so? And then people can just add when it's appropriate.
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The Bands of Power & Additional Hand Weapon do have the largest possibility for destruction, but you must be smart about the magic phase to use the combo... if your opponent even has 1 dispel dice left over, he has a 50% chance to dispel the bands of power. 2 dispel dice and your opponent will have a 91.666667% chance to dispel the bands of power... obviously 2 or more dispel dice and your chances are screwed.
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if your opponent even has 1 dispel dice left over, he has a 50% chance to dispel the bands of power. 2 dispel dice and your opponent will have a 91.666667% chance to dispel the bands of power... obviously 2 or more dispel dice and your chances are screwed.


OK... What are the chances that on more than 2 dice, 2 of thos edice are ones, auto-failing the dispel? (Thought I'd ask, seeing as you're the "numbers guy")
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Perhaps we should stab this thread so that we won't need to rehash it in a month or so? And then people can just add when it's appropriate.


Yeah this has kinda come up a couple of times, may as well ^_^

Here's a couple of older links from way back:
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Apr 19 2007, 12:28 AM
OK... What are the chances that on more than 2 dice, 2 of thos edice are ones, auto-failing the dispel? (Thought I'd ask, seeing as you're the "numbers guy")

Lol VF, check the link in my signature ... the same as the chance of a Miscast for casting with that number of dice.
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Gaijin323
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even withoout all those number/probabilities the censer is just soooo skaven
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against plague monks you have to roll a 6 to kill them plus you get the chance to kill extra models on the enemy side limiting their attacks back to you and allowing you to win combat a bit easier so for the points i would go with a censer
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Right, I used to be among those that used the Plague Censer, either with the Warpstone Amulet or the Liber Bubonicus. However, I'm now a firm believer in the additional hand weapon armed Plague Priest, with the Bands of Power and the Warpstone Amulet. He's absolutely brutal.

Have him lead a unit of Plague Monks with the Banner of Burning Hatred and backed up by a group of Plague Censer Bearers, and watch them tear the enemy into countless tiny pieces. Yay.

I guess on his own or with a unit of Plague Censer Bearers, a Plague Censer would be quite nice.
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i think u should take the flail i took the flail and it worked good for me :censor:
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