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| Sebrent | 6th March 2007 - 05:43 AM Post #1 |
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I'm just curious which army everyone here thinks is the hardest to play with successfully in warhammer. |
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| FatherSquee | 6th March 2007 - 06:01 AM Post #2 |
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Wow, 100% of the votes done by me That's actually a really hard question, every army has their strengths and weaknesses, even the one I chose as the hardest could be really strong. Thankfully they're all still at a state where every army can work wonderfully if the player using them puts some work behind them. |
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| Bodacious | 6th March 2007 - 07:01 AM Post #3 |
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I chose High Elves. I've seen people play with them and they choose them as their first armies because of their cool look and typical high-elf flavour, but often leave them after a few months or so because of the rules. My incredibly powergaming friend chose these as his first army. It took him a year to realise it was better to start on a new army instead of trying to make his high-elves work. He's now a Stank wielding empire munchkin <_< . Cheers, Bodacious |
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| Bassik Dwarveripper | 6th March 2007 - 09:40 AM Post #4 |
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I'd go for Tombkings. High Elves are actually pretty strong in the hands of a skilled general, (*coughBloodVixenandBassikcough*) especially infantry heavy armies with a solid support from cavalry does wonders. I found that the most common HE army, the boltthrower and archer lines, don't work that good. Tomb Kings are slow, have weak and pricey characters, and realy needs a lot of carefull planning and luck to get the magic tricks they so desperatly need to work. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 6th March 2007 - 09:52 AM Post #5 |
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*ponders*... As said by Nurglitch, every army has its strengths and weaknesses and therefor, I don't really think there are armies that can be added on a list of 'hardest to play with'. Especially as this also depends on the general commanding the army, cause I've learned to pretty decently pull off good results with Skaven, while I'd be absolutely horrible when working with Bretonnia for example. On the other hand, each army can also be abused in horrible extents, creating armies that are incredible hard to beat. (RAF, SAD, Tzeentch Flying Circus, HE cavalry, etc.). So, the one army that I think would give anyone a peck of trouble to pull off a win with is the one army not listed here: Daemonic Legion. Greetz |
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| SneakyRodent | 6th March 2007 - 10:02 AM Post #6 |
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An interesting question. I've only ever played with Skaven and Undead armies (not counting one or two swaps for one-off games against friends a long time ago - I even fielded a dwarf army in that one...~shudders and feels unclean~ ).I've voted Ogre Kingdoms simply because of the lack of models that tend to make up the army. I guess I'm used to loads and loads of expendable troops, and I haven't seen that many OK armies stand up to a well balanced adversary force. Actually make that not a single OK army - they seem to get comprehensibly beaten when ever I watch them at my local GW store. |
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| Sammy the Squid | 6th March 2007 - 10:12 AM Post #7 |
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I voted High Elves because they havent been updated in ages, and I almost never see them win. They CAN be used well (like every army out there) but generally the list isnt as potentially powerful as many others out there... Ogres are also quite weak. The thought of having Ogres as Core choices can be a bit overwhelming, but on the battlefield they are rather vulnerable. I find them very easy to defeat as well... - Sammy |
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| Warlord Bloodfang | 6th March 2007 - 10:45 AM Post #8 |
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Even though I've had no experience with using this army, I'd say Bretonnia as they rely so much on their cavelry to do the damage and the men-at-arms to block like slaves, because of this their knights would be the tops priority of the opponent to defeat as soon as possible and a player using the Bretonnians would have to know the exact right moment to bring his Knights-of-the-Realm out of cover and charge the enemy so that it does the most damage. |
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| Sebrent | 6th March 2007 - 02:55 PM Post #9 |
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Nice feedback so far guys. I agree with you guys that no army is "broken," "unbalanced," or "whatever-else-people-cry-about." I'm just curious which armies you each think people have the hardest time being successful with. Feel free to add Daemonic Legion to the poll Vin, though it might be a little late now I always trust you when you edit on editing posts
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| Chieftain Cazgar | 6th March 2007 - 03:58 PM Post #10 |
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i have to say, bret's are one of the easier armys to win with. the cavalry can be nigh on indestructable. half the army has a 2+ save. so you need to get some high strength attacks to get through their armour. well at S5 they also get a 5+ ward. i've had games where none of my knights have died because their saves are just too good. and you may say they're expensive, that's why they have dirt cheap peasants too. they also have the strongest stone thrower out of any army, and it has 4 crew members too. and did i mention FLYING cavalry? i've not lost a game with my bret's yet, it's a little too easy. i voted high elves because a friend of mine does them and he only wins when he allies with my bret's lol. second choice is dark elves, but high elves just beat them because the h'elves don't get bows that can fire twice. they would be a nice army if they wern't so expensive in points, or maybe if they were but had better armour saves or something. it's a nice army and stuff but some of the rules and units and stuff are just too underpowered for what you pay for them. also, daemonic legions using the SoC list can be extremely powerful. the HoC versions aren't very good though i'll admit lol. |
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| Mormeguil | 6th March 2007 - 06:43 PM Post #11 |
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I voted for high elf, mostly because it's true they are not that bad. It's just that they don't really have anything special for them and are a bit overpriced for most of they're things. Ogre kingdom is good, but you're stuck with one army list. 3 butcher, a tyrant, one bull unit and fill the rest with as many irongut as you can (units of 3 or 4). So they're good but a bit boring. As for tombking they are a pretty strong army if you ask me. Sure some of they,re things are costly, but they got one of the best mocement in the game thanks to magic and a regenarating giant/ushabti is something to be scared off. |
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| Warlord Linnal | 7th March 2007 - 01:45 AM Post #12 |
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I'd say daemonic legion, but apparently it isn't there. A while back my bro wants to start a different army, so I say why not try a daemonic legion using the Horde of Chaos book? He likes daemons and I said I've seen way too many mortal armies. Then I had a look at the point cost, and like in a 1000 points battle the army would have 2 units of 20 daemons of any kind (similar point cost) and one exalted daemon. Fine, since I thought they're immune to psychology and is 'unbreakable' (i.e. just crumble if they lose combat) and have daemonic saves and stuff. So I had a real look at the daemonic special rule and found that if they lose combat they have to succeed an unmodified Ld test (at ld 8......not 9, not 10, but 8) or the entire unit is destroyed. Then comes the crumbling. I imagined if I'm using my Skaven to fight I will outnumber him and outmaneuver him so badly he'll always lose, and with luck his entire 300 points unit will just disappear. So later I told him to forget about the idea. I haven't seen the SoC list, but ultimately the list is not tournament legal (or sometimes not allowed, depending on the store), so I shy away from using those lists. heck, I wanted to make a Bubonic court army but I just cant use them in tournaments. So next on the list will be High Elves. I should know...... For stoic elves they seem to run away very very very often -_-" |
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| Clanlord Trask | 7th March 2007 - 02:05 AM Post #13 |
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I voted Ogre Kingdoms, but that vote is closely followed by High Elves. I will admit that Skaven can be hard to win with, but they are fairly easy to get to grips with, and are fairly adaptable. My vote went to Ogre Kingdoms because, well, in my experience they haven't performed too well in any battle i have seen them in. Far from the list being 'broken' or underpowered, I think it is the players themselves who are at fault. The fact that they have an army of giant, monster sized creatures seems to fill the players with a sense of invincibility. After all, if one monster is good, surely an army of them would be! Unfortunately thoughtless, front on charges rarely seem to work, as the Ogres are easily overwhelmed. High Elves, on the other hand, and very neuanced. Sets of troops complement other sets of troops, and perform better against other sets of troops. Being able to build a flexible list that works together well seems a challenge, leading to a lot of High Elf defeats. Thats my three cents. |
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