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treemen overpowered?
Topic Started: 25th February 2007 - 02:04 PM (574 Views)
Nexus
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Okay not sure if youve heard this one already but i think treemen are way too powerful for their points value/own good - having just played 2 games against wood elves i am having some difficulty beating them.

The only thing i can think of is a WLC but i dont have one of those yet.

If i worked this out right, the average skaven warrior with hand weapon:
4+ to hit - 1/2 chance
5+ to wound - 1/3 chance
3+ armour save - 1/3 chance of fail
5+ ward save - 2/3 chance of fail
regeneration (if it has ariels blessing) - 1/2 chance of fail

So thats a 1/13 chance of a blow from a skaven actually wounding the treeman, and it then has like 5 or 6 wounds!!

how can i kill it?
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Chieftain Cazgar
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you actually can't :P

seriously though, we only have 1 way really (unless you're feel lucky like i once did and charge it with 20 storm vermin. bare in mind though that if you do do this then your stormers may not do anything else all battle due to the tree being stubborn. i did manage to beat it in the final round of a game, and then failed to catch it and it rallied on his turn <_< , least it was at half strength i guess :) )

anyway, the best way is with slaves and warp fire throwers. send the slaves into the front and then flame straight into the combat. this causes the tree to take lots more wounds which he doesn't get his daemonic save against or his regeneration and they're at -2 to his save. these wounds then get doubled. so you only need to get 3 through (ok, a little harder than i make it seem but it IS doable) and then these double and he dies.

the tricky part is getting the slaves to charge and then getting the WFT on target. if you can do it though, it should be oh so sweet. (a tree-man taken down by slaves! and a WFT too i guess, but slaves!)

that thing is very hard though lol, you could just avoid it all game if need be. good luck, you will most definitely need it!
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thanks, sounds like a good idea actually since its flammable too.. never thought of that, i only have the one ratling gun at the moment. Then again with a ld of 5 when ranked i doubt slaves will very succesfully charge a terror causing treeman. worth a shot though.
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keep the general nearby. OR if killing that thing's really worth it you could put a sacrificial chieftain in there. have a fairly big block of slaves and a chieftain at the back, now you're working on Ld9. ok so now your slave unit costs around 100 points, still half that of a treeman at least right?
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true -okay will try keeping a general nearby no point wasting a cheiftain on it. Its not important to necessarily kill it, jut to get it out the way, so keeping it busy for the whole game will do as well ^_^
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Feb 25 2007, 02:25 PM
anyway, the best way is with slaves and warp fire throwers. send the slaves into the front and then flame straight into the combat.most definitely need it!

I always see tactics like this, but WHY charge with the slaves? Why not simply shoot at it without it being in combat? This saves a unit of slaves.

This isn't just referring to the treeman example, but everywhere I see people say "charge with a unit of slaves then fire into the combat", but WHY charge?? I don't see what you gain apart from risking shooting your own people.

WHY OH WHY???


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Well, when template weapons hit 2 target, all the hits get randomised. While you can get only one hit on the Treeman whilst not in combat, you can hit several slaves and the treeman, and therefor hit him several times.
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true, i just played again vs my brother for the last 2 hours and won a minor victory.

My skaven obliterated the left flank of his army but the right i got held up by eternal guard and that blasted tree who smashed away 14 stormvermin in 4 turns, luckily i never fled, but as i held two table quaters and had a lot of models left over there, i just managed a win.

Still, hes hard to kill :angry:
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The Treeman is difficult to kill for almost any army. Just be thankful he hasnt made his Treeman an Ancient and given it the Annoyance of Nettlings. This guy can take down ANY character in a challange.

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Wouldnt a normal skaven warrior need 6+ to wound? With Strength of only 3, and the Treeman's toughness of 6(?) he'd probably need 6's to wound...

In my opinion, Id try to avoid combat with it with all my main units. Feed it Slaves and expendable troops while annihiliating the rest of the army.
I do, however, really like the idea of throwing slaves into it and blasting it with a WFT! Now thats got to annoy your opponent!! ^_^

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charge it with your slaves, then charge it with censor bearers... I did and killed him in two turns. lucky roles on my side and crappy roles for him. but it worked. plus my slaves did not fail any leadership tests.
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I have just lost another game against my brothers elves, it was a WE massacre :huh:


However, i did kill the treeman by a stroke of luck, i just lost every model in the following turns...heh...

His treeman charged the flank of my stormvermin containing both grey seer and cheiftain with halberd. in the next turn when i fought first i did no wounds, he did one. He had +2 for flank charge and wound, i had +2 for outnumber and banner. but i had a musician ;)

And he failed his Ld test rolling a 5 and a 6 and fled an amazing 4".

I ran down 6+1 = 7 inches, yay B)
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How in the world did you let a treeman get you in the flank?
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how the hell did you survive the first round of a treeman in the flank?

that guy must of rolled REAL badly, i kinda feel sorry for him lol.
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because i forgot he can move through woods, i had my flank next to some nice cover... gr.

And in the first turn he did roll badly
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Feb 25 2007, 07:43 PM
The Treeman is difficult to kill for almost any army. Just be thankful he hasnt made his Treeman an Ancient and given it the Annoyance of Nettlings. This guy can take down ANY character in a challange.


I fell for this one (twice) when an ancient charged my black orc warlord, issuing a challenge against me. The first time he issued a challenge I was like "wooot treemen arent characters... an ancient is .... :blink: oh **** I accepted then couldnt hit it :blink:

The second time (different battle) I declined only for it to crush my regiment. :unsure:

However... Giants are usually good in 1vs1 against a treeman. (mine was faring well until it got charged by some dryads as well) :blink:

@ Stormvermin warrior - dont go anywhere near any forest .... I usually find they move towards you at an alarming rate with all those tree singing hippies about
So I'm attacking your slaves with 5 chosen knights **throws dices** and horses **throws more dices** ok you are at -9 to Ld there is no way ...** a dice throw** .... F@@k !
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