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Topic Started: 5th February 2007 - 04:31 PM (273 Views)
Chieftain Cazgar
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well, i'm running a campain. it originally had 4 members, but now 2 other friends want to play and i can't turn them down (ones even starting a new army for it) its good because these 2 players were thinking of quitting, where as now they want to play, so it means i have more opponents and then anyway...

:rolleyes: i have 4 different coloured counters. so that means i need 4 teams, this is fine until you have 6 players <_< . so i wanted to ask you guys what armys are more likely to be allianced?

the races involved are:

-skaven
-empire
-lizardmen
-high elves
-dark elves
-wood elves

now, i figured that perhaps wood elves and high elves could team, being as the high elves objective is to capture all of lorien forest (map based campaign you see), so it makes sense for wood elves to start out side of their forest and want to capture it aswell.

now, skaven don't have any allys out of that list, so they'll be a solo party. empire and lizardmen are both quite strong armys (or have competatent generals) and i could do with them being split. this leaves dark elves to team with either of those 2. my first thoughts are lizards because they come from the same sort of area in the world and so could both spawn at the same point.

that's what i think, i was hoping that some body could point out any major fluff boundarys i've crossed and tell me better alternatives, some times the fluff'll have to be sacrificed so that we can still play, but generally i'd rather we didn't see high elves and dark elves fighting under the same banner for instance.
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how about

skaven
dark elfs
lizardmen & wood elfs
empire & high elfs


lizzies and woodies are both tree dwelling fellows :( so that could work
and empire and high elfs have allied in the past
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OK the only ones ,I can see team up, is actually Skaven and Dark Elves.
Both wanting slaves, and undoubtly trying to cheat eachother.
But they could be allies for a while, as long as they have mutual interests.

MUTATED: Oh, right StormverminWarrior. That would work.
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i was going to say that too buy changed my mind ;) the chaces are the skaven would want to enslave the dark elfs and visa versa, so yeah i can see them teaming up for all of half a battle. As soon as a skaven gun misfires and hits a unit of elfs, then... <_<
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Chieftain Cazgar
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i was just speaking to my mate who was saying he had normal risk an it was all like:

"yay we can use counters out of that ^_^ "
"oh wait, i think its in wales"
"oh, well thats that idea out the window then..."

so different coloured counters are an option, and may become reality if i find some that are usuable.

i don't suppose they sell old school risk counters seperatly to the main game do they? :P

i never thought of skaven and d'elfs, but i guess thats because the dark elf player isn't very good and i didn't want to get stuck with him :P
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Feb 5 2007, 11:38 AM
how about

skaven
dark elfs
lizardmen & wood elfs
empire & high elfs


lizzies and woodies are both tree dwelling fellows :( so that could work
and empire and high elfs have allied in the past

I think the following paitring is better:

lizardmen & high elves
wood elves & empire

this is more logical geographically and fluff wise.



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high elves and lizzies tend to have more muteral intrests about global threats than a single reigion

high elves more or less taught the empire spells and allways come to save their butts in any major chaos incursion even when there being minced by the darkies

skaven and dark elves are probally the only real one unless the empire are some of our manthing worshippers or payed the skaven to assist them

wood elves would protect their reigion just like the empire but woodies dont relly like the company of high elves so i dont relly see that happening
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I thought Lizardmen and Dark Elves have had many hundreds of years at each others throats in ugly bloodthristy war. Dark Elves wanting various trinkets of power etc. Just think about it and it makes sense. Dark Elves like causing pain/destruction and damning the world and Lizardmen are out to stop all that.


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Lizardmen would not ally with Dark Elves. The Dark Elves have been trying to raid Lustria for Lizardmen artifacts for some time now, thus making their relations quite bad.

Wood Elves are not that happy with High Elves. Even in their book it has on the timeline them rejecting a party of high elves who came to Athel Loren to try to begin new relations between High Elves and Wood Elves ... somehow after being rejected it took the High Elves over half a century to find their way out of Athel Loren ... coincadence ... I think not.

I personally think that Lizardmen & High Elves would be a good combination as there is a lot of official GW fluff supporting them in this.

Then Wood Elves and Empire would be a nice team.

Finally, Skaven and Dark Elves ... an uneasy alliance of two evil races.

A good book you can get from GW is the "General's Compendium" (I'm a bit OCD imho, so I buy every book, lol). It not only gives you a lot of nice ideas, sample rules, etc, but it also has a very nice map you can use for campaigns. In the special rules, it has a nice section on racial alliances too. In summary your race has either yes/no/maybe for allying with another race (they have a chart) and it's better to have 'yes' than it is to have 'maybe' ... take a look at the book if you have a store near you sometime or just go ahead and get it, I recommend it :P and the alliances I proposed work well with the alliances chart in the book.
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I agree with everything Sebrent said...

Lizzies and High Elves ave been known to work together, and some sources say that during the war of the serpent and the rat, High Elves assisted the Lizardmen.

Skaven and Dark Elves I can easily see working together, although they will be watching eachother and would betray the other in a heartbeat if it meant gain for them.

Empire and Wood Elves would probably have the least likely alliance IMO... but maybe the Wood Elves part-time Bretonnian allies, unable to assist the wood elves, told them to go to the Empire instead?

Anyway, the teams should be:

Skaven + Dark Elves
High Elves + Lizardmen
Wood Elves + Empire

The two evil really HAVE to go together, and the other groupings are debatable.

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Skaven and Empire?
Skaven and Wood Elves?
Dark Elves and High Elves?

The great thing I have found with campaigns is that they are a good opportunity to create uneasy, normally unseen alliances that 'make sense'. We ran my skaven allied with a Wood Elf force in a campaign once, with the Skaven offering 'support' to the Wood Elves, though the Skaven were in fact feeding disinformation to the Wood Elf commander (who seemed to be just a little bit crazy).

Dark Elves working with High Elves? Persuing a common goal, perhaps, the different force commanders be old pre-civil war friends forced back together? End the campaign with a face off between the two armies.

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I agree with the above pairings of Lizzies w/ H Elves, W. Elves w/ Empire, and D elves w/ Skaven.

Though in some ways I feel it could make for a potentially unbalanced campaign, as the grouped armies share some strengths.

Lizzies+High Elves = the potential for ridiculous magic (I'm taking an extra scroll caddy)
Wood Elves + Empire = the potential for ridiculous shooting (I love slaves)
Skaven + D'Elves = the same army, just one is furless and more fairy. (I love slaves, though its not in the D'Elf rule book its def. in their fluff)

Just an observation.... doesn't mean they will be unbalanced armies, I just see a potential there especially for the good guys.


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