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Saddam Hussein's execution
Topic Started: 30th December 2006 - 01:54 PM (558 Views)
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Now, this is a tricky bit of a subject... the long awaited justice to a dictator and tyrant that the world hated, the end of that era marked by the Gulf crisis of the early 90's, and the news here is blaring footage of Iraqi citizens celebrating and John Howard giving his comments. Then we have the faulty and now officially stupid excuse for invading Iraq, the crippled US military objective, and Bush.

I don't know, but it was a strange thing for me, that execution. Maybe because the Gulf crisis was a big part of my younger days, and Saddam one of those ever-constant characters in the global theatre after Gorbachev lost the position of "most hated villain". Maybe because he was like one of those guys, like Shredder or that dude from Power Rangers, where they always, always come back after saying "next time, next time I'll get you!" Or maybe, I don't know, he was someone that embodies the old ways of sovereignty. Someone who got to power by sheer might, brute force and cunning, (and at the expense of many other things, eg.. human lives, justice, civil rights etc) in a society with no spin doctors, media tools, political jargon, dodgy voting polls, influencial ex-prez dads, and fancy words like "Coalition of the Willing". Machiavelli would have been so proud.

Putting those two antagonists side by side, Saddam and Bush, that's an interesting pair. Two completely different people, who were presidents via completely different means and in completely different ways, but in terms of the end products of their morality...

ps: how many follow the conspiracy theory that it was a decoy, and not the real Saddam? Y'know, the talk of the beard concealing his jawline and all that, how he does look a tad different...

No need for the O'Discordia lament this time round, but the world does move on.
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They want to hang him? What year is this? 1300? GAAAH! THE PLAGUE!

*American ambassodor wispers in Bassiks ear.*

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And here I was thinking we were civilized. I'm so bloody stupid :P

I think its good a reign of terror was defeated, and Sadam deserves an execution, if you believe in death penalties (wich I don't... never.) But couldn't they just inject him or something more humane? I mean, when the bad guy gets defeated, shouldn't this be done by the good guys? Or shouldn't the good guys make an effort to actually be good?
Its like Sauron pwning Saruman, the Emperor slaying Vader, Khorne sodomizing Slaanesh, one snotling beating another, Melkor getting kicked by Bassik, Mussolini by Hitler...

Its just so wrong.
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The U.S. actually didn't pass the sentence or carry out the execution... altough we did 'encourage' it... the Iraqis themselves did. And he's already dead, Bas. While it is good that hi reign is over, I still don't really think he should have did. Like Bas, I am also against the death penalty, and I stringly believe that hanging was ot the right way to go about it... it seems... inhumane. Not that Saddam was humane, but hanging... is... it just seems wrong.

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The death penalty is very stupid IMO.

"Hey, you killed people! That's very wrong! WE KILL YOU!"

Yeah. Way to tach the youth of today that killing is good...
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i think that lots of people wanted him dead, i know my mother and father did for deffinite. "sooner they find and execute that son of a bitch the better" becoming frequent sayings in my house when ever iraq was mentioned on the TV lol.

i'm pretty impartial to it all, never killed anyone i knew, and his death doesn't affect me in anyway other than me not hearing phrases like already stated in my house lol.

i havn't read the news fully or anything, just headlines, am i right in thinking he went back to iraq to be executed? because if so i think hanging is probably justified. thats the way they work in that part of the world, same way that in england we don't execute anyone anymore lol.

and it is kind of hippocritical. super heroes never actually kill the bad guys, just leave him wounded, or captured. that's to show they're the better moral beings. i guess that America, or the rest of iraq, whoever it was that decided to execute him, arn't the better moral beings lol. real life isn't really like the comic books.

and i'm an impressionable young person, and i don't feel like executing people lol. and i think that others won't think that killing is ok suddenly. besides, it'll be old news in no time. a new war'll come along and everyone will complain about that soon enough.
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the west has no business in the middle east, and most of the trouble in that region trouble stems from the creation of the state of Israel (arbitrarily carved out of Palestine after WWII).
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Yeah, though thats more of another topic; one that I'm sure many people have vastly different views on.

As for Saddam he was gonna die anyway so how he died doesn't really make a difference in my eyes (and yes I do belive it's wrong but hey, it cuts back on prison costs :) ) and really when you die would you rather it be with no feeling and without your knowlage or would you want your last few moments on this earth to be filled to the brink of your capasity with your nerve ending madly flashing signals to your brain?

Now how's that for a deep thinker :mellow:
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Clearly a topic that requires an opinion (no matter how uneducated it may be :P ).

First of all: I've never been a fan of the death penalty for the rather obvious reason that I think it's fundamentally flawed. I was really surprised though by the chosen method of execution. Not a very clean or humane way to get rid of someone in my opinion. Can't say the event itself means much to me though. Never really knew sadam except from south park :lol: . Heard from him on the news ofcourse as well, but not that much for me to really care about this apparently. Hope the country can finally start recovering now though. I guess it would give a little more peace in the western part of the world too once we can start withdrawing those troops.

I think it's really cool though, that (usually) sensitive issues like this can still be discussed like this in here. Proves once again that this forum has some of the coolest members out there ^_^ .

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Hanging seems to be the only viable option in Iraq, except probably some kind of firing squad. Even before they were bombed into nothing, I don't think Iraq had the facilities to host a Lethal Injection. The only way they could go about one would be in the USA sent them the tools to do it, but the US would only send it if the Iraqis asked for one. And I think they are all in a position where hanging is the frame of mind, so asking for something like Lethal Injection wouldn't even be an option.

But it is a bit odd that he is dead. Especially since he was touted as the next 'big thing' in terms of evil leaders in the 90s. It will be intersting to see who 'they' pull out as the next 'big thing' to be fought against.

Oh, and its all well and good Saddam has been captured and executed, but what ever happened with Osama?
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Dec 30 2006, 12:18 PM
the west has no business in the middle east, and most of the trouble in that region trouble stems from the creation of the state of Israel (arbitrarily carved out of Palestine after WWII).

100% agreed, there.

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Oh, and its all well and good Saddam has been captured and executed, but what ever happened with Osama?


And there's the million dollar question, folks.

Yet more distractions put in the media to keep people from remembering the reason all these idiotic wars in the Middle East were started in the first place - to catch Osama.
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Im against the death pemnalty too, in this case because its just too quick. People as evil as Saddam deserve to be locked up and left to rot in their cell for the rest of their lives in my opinion. Death is just too quick a punishment...

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the west has no business in the middle east, and most of the trouble in that region trouble stems from the creation of the state of Israel (arbitrarily carved out of Palestine after WWII).


I agree too! I dont think we should ever have gone there in the first place... -_-

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Dec 30 2006, 06:04 PM
Hanging seems to be the only viable option in Iraq, except probably some kind of firing squad. Even before they were bombed into nothing, I don't think Iraq had the facilities to host a Lethal Injection. The only way they could go about one would be in the USA sent them the tools to do it, but the US would only send it if the Iraqis asked for one. And I think they are all in a position where hanging is the frame of mind, so asking for something like Lethal Injection wouldn't even be an option.

Have you read any news in the U.S. in the past two weeks? Turns out lethal injection isn't as humane as everyone thought. I know I would rather be hung than take that shot.

I'm not even going to start on the political/historical significance of this whole mess; I'll write for hours. Nice to see my thesis was turned on it's head last week, they didn't waste much time from when I turned it in.


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the west has no business in the middle east, and most of the trouble in that region trouble stems from the creation of the state of Israel (arbitrarily carved out of Palestine after WWII).

WWI (Hussain-McMann Accords) was the main firestarter for the current anti-Western craze, not the creation of Israel; that is merely a focus now. Sykes-Picot agreement. Blame the british. ;)
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It will be intersting to see who 'they' pull out as the next 'big thing' to be fought against.

Yeah theirs a couple out there if your looking strickly from an American stand point (which lets face it we are) Theirs Osama, but he's smart enough to let things die down a bit before he makes his next big hit so though he's possibly the biggest threat he probebly wouldn't be named it at least until his next big strike.
Next I guess would be the Irani President guy, or more like the people he listens too, but his sights are set pretty much only on the Middle East and becomming the biggest power there I'd imagine and would like nothing more than for the US and Iran to go their separate ways, at least for a little bit.
Then theirs the Russian big man Putin (is that how you spell it?) I'm thinking he might be getting bigger seeing as he seems to be dreaming of the 'good old days' of the Cold War what with all his assassins.

Bah, I don't know. I'd say the biggest threat would be just comming from no-faced terrorists that slip through the security nets, 'cuz hell you can't catch them all eh?
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Don't forget the North Koreans playing with nukes, although I suppose that isn't such a pressing matter for the Americans as it doesn't threaten them directly, to the best of my knowledge.

Although the death penalty may be regarded as inhumane, at the moment I don't think an Iraqi would bat an eyelid. People are getting blown up and gunned down all around them as assorted insurgents have it out with American troops. Many of them hated the man, and in an environment of endemic violence and tenuous government control I somehow doubt that people would consider the death penalty inappropriate in any way.
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'cuz hell you can't catch them all eh?

gotta catch 'em all! tututututuuu

ok sorry for this stupid comment, onto the serious matter:

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Im against the death pemnalty too, in this case because its just too quick. People as evil as Saddam deserve to be locked up and left to rot in their cell for the rest of their lives in my opinion. Death is just too quick a punishment...

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the west has no business in the middle east, and most of the trouble in that region trouble stems from the creation of the state of Israel (arbitrarily carved out of Palestine after WWII).



I agree too! I dont think we should ever have gone there in the first place... sleep.gif

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i think i have the exact same opinion as Sammy here. He didn't 'deserve' to die i think. Way better to let him cripple in his cell than to make him a martyr for some other extremists... they seem to prefer to keep others in Guantanamo to rot, but the all time uber-evil villain of the last 15-20 years is easily hung in a couple of months...
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