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OH MY GOD!!!; The Empire
Topic Started: 18th December 2006 - 03:19 AM (2,568 Views)
Sammy the Squid
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warrior preists now generate dispell dice,


They always generated Dispel Dice :)

Cazgar, youve played with the new army? Its not even out here for another 2-3 weeks! Lucky you!
As for nasty underpriced items, it seems we are seeing more of them. The O&G had some horrifically underpriced items in their book, and it seems this trend will continue...

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outriders aren't the mounted machine guns i imagined them to be


No... and the fact that they are Move OR Shoot seems a bit weird... Why mount troops with guns that arent very maneuvrable? Wouldnt it just be better to have them standing around on foot? :rolleyes:

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No... and the fact that they are Move OR Shoot seems a bit weird... Why mount troops with guns that arent very maneuvrable? Wouldnt it just be better to have them standing around on foot


Why use horses to tow cannons? ;)

While using the horses to get into an advantageous position to fire is a valid reason to have them mounter, I would have had them on foot, too.

With regards to the actual topic...

The rockets, pidgeon bombs and mechanical horse annoy the fethery out of me. I don't care about the rules, it's the incoherent background.

However, cheaper state troops is awesome, and makes my planned infantry empire army all the more appealing. I'm presuming the detatchment rules stayed intact? :huh:

Cazgar's report worries me more than a litte, however, as the steam tank was beaten by armies with lots of cannons, and had a riot wiping the floor with a cannonless army.... That sounds bad. Even the biggest baddest thing in warhammer can be overcome by combat resolution from large infantry units. I don't know how STank Ld works, but I fear that it might be the first thing in fantasy that can only be beaten by something big and strong.... <_<
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I fear that it might be the first thing in fantasy that can only be beaten by something big and strong....


Maybe the start of 7th ed. Hero/Tank-hammer... People will take big things to beat the Tank, then people will take even bigger things to protect the Tank... I feel this could quickly escalate out of control...
And it worries me too that only gun heavy armies beat the Steam Tank... Makes more balanced armies even less appealing when facing Empire...

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The rockets, pidgeon bombs and mechanical horse annoy the fethery out of me. I don't care about the rules, it's the incoherent background.


The good thing is that most are Engineer upgrades, and none are compulsory. So those of us which appreciate Empire can still field a well balanced army.

Im almost certain Detatchment rules stayed the same. Theres been no mention of any changes here...

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Dark Elves - 44/14/8
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finaly people wont think of us as the uber sad army even though its only a few skaven players anyway its still the players choice they maychoose to tak the shooty army of doom or they could be like us (members of UE) basicly its up to the player
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I say, no worries. We're the master race after all.

As far as that magic item that steals a random spell from an enemy wizard and then can cast it ... that is in the old Empire book as well. It is "Aldred's Casket of Sorcery." The Stipulation with it is that you have to be in base contact with the enemy wizard. So it really isn't that bad.

As far as warrior priests. They are inferior stats-wise to Empire captains who are inferior to our chieftains. I'm not worried about them. Dispel their prayers (if they even bother you ... previous prayers were a joke imho except the heal) with one dispel dice. The only thing I respect about them other than their heal is that they make their unit have hatred towards Skaven.

Let's all be patient and wait the couple years it takes for our book to come out ... with improved rules for the bell <cackles>
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Chieftain Cazgar
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oh, i didn't know they generated dispell dice before, i just thought it was cool anyway lol.

yeah, the tanks unbreakable. the only things that can touch it really need to be strength 6 and have around 20 attacks, maybe 30 attacks. or do D6 wounds.

cannon shots obliviate it, due to it being so big it is an easy target. then the cannon wounds on 2s and causes D6 wounds.

that spell stealer doesn't need to be in base contact anymore lol.

the tank does need protecting, and being as empire can get dragons now i can see a combo of the 2 being used from now on.

the only thing that us skaven have that would be of any use is the WLC, and that has a random strength so around 2 would be required to sort the tank out propperly.

i know i'm lucky, it was the stores army book and the staff guy had aranged it so that you could chalenge the new empire, the thing was i turned up when he wanted to go on a break lol.

in the case of vampire counts if he had taken 3 fighty vampires he could of killed the steam tank. he had gotten it down to 3 wounds and it would of been finished off the next turn had the preist not restored it to 10 lol.
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What about our Assassins, they could still take it down with BoP/Felblade can't they? Though then he wouldn't be available for other mage and hero killing... <_<
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Chieftain Cazgar
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i guess an assassin could sort one out if correctly tooled up, however fell blades are tricky, and if the steam tank careers into you then as a lone character you've had it. as a unit your still screwed lol.

you auto hit against it, so as long as you have a high enough strength you should be able to sort it out, that is if it doesn't sort you out first lol. infact i think against skaven the bane of a steam tank will be a fell blade weilding lord. being as it hits as hard as a cannon, but 4 times in 1 go lol.

however as i said before, beware of it getting to you first. perhaps a skitterleaping master assassin with a fell blade is the best way to get rid of it. but then is there anything that can't get rid of lol?
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Lord Lughtigern
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These Empire sound weird!

The Steam Tank worries me... Seriously, this thing REALLY shouldn't be able to be healed with prayers!!! I can take praying to your god to reknit your wounds, but to realign your Tesla Coils?! Not gonna happen.

However, we've still got a few things that could deal with it, no?

Bands of Power, cheap heros with Great Weapons, Jezzails, Warplightning cannons, Warplightning, Fellblade, Weeping Blades, Rat Ogres (they'd auto hit! With 4 of them in contact you'd be dishing out PAIN!), Globes and the BRASS ORB all spring to mind.

Actually, just wondering about the last point, would the Brass Orb instantly destroy it now, or do 4D6 wounds? Since it doesn't have any structure points, I mean.

Finally...

@Cheiftan Cazgar: stop laughing so much! It's making me nervous. You're on the Master Race's side, right? Dev

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Chieftain Cazgar
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mwah ha ha ha ha those rats won't know what hi- oh damn, was that out loud?

lol seriously though we still have tonnes of stuff that could deal with it i guess. jezzails are one that skipped my mind. -4 to a 1+ save is decent, and wounding on 4s means that around 20 of them should be able to take care of the tank lol.

i wouldn't recomend rat ogres or PCBs though, or anything less than strength 6. their strength just isn't enough to break through the tanks hull. jezzails'll have a tough time cracking it open. a lord with a magic weapon should be able to sort it out (hopefully) if he isn't crushed under the tracks first that is.

besides, i don't favour either side really. sure i enjoy the sight of a crumpled up steam tank on the feild of battle, but we're skaven, so i don't have any sympathy to those that try to stop the tank and fall beneath its tracks lol.

i think that you don't even need to kill it, just bring enough guns to look menacing and it'll cower away behind some scenery; leaving the rest of the army to fall to your combat res of doom (because the tank won't :P )
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Lord Lughtigern
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I like Rat Ogres though!

12 attacks, 5+ to wound, is 4, then they get 3+ saves, so that's 1.666* wounds... <_<

Screw it, take Jezzails.

*rough maths, don't hate me if I'm wrong!
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The only important thing to know is, can the steam tank still move out from a unit whitout prouble? To me it always was it's greatest strenght since you could'n even tarpit it with clanrats or slaves.
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What I want to know is...

Is the Steam Tank still 0-1 restricted?

This topic kinda got me worried:
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/component/...4/topic,13826.0

I doubt if these people really know what they're talking about though. 2 Steam tanks in one list??? Not even GW can be dumb enough to allow that :huh: .

Now I've decided I'm not going to fret anymore over the new book untill I see it. But man, they're making it hard for me saying this type of stuff <_< .

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Damnit so that dragon rumour was true? :( and people can take two steam tanks?
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I swear I was silently vomiting as I was reading that. Now I don't know what's worse; that you can actually field two tanks and a freaking Dragon or that theirs actually people out there wanting to do it!
My God, and they call us cheesey!? Those guys are just sick!
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